RE: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver

; -Original Message- > From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com] > Sent: Monday, 3 March 2003 11:33 a.m. > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver > > > Jason wrote: > > > Here is another quote from a team of medical science &g

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Thanks, Ivan, Very interesting information, which has answered a lot of my questions. paula - Original Message - From: "Ivan Anderson" > > "Silver ion solubility in deionised water is 20-40ppb and in saline > 2-4ppm. In the presence of microbes, silver ions bind to available > enzyme t

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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:43 AM Subject: RE: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver > Frank, > I notice you did not reply to the reference: > > "Silver ion solubility in deionised water is 20-40ppb and in saline > 2-4ppm. In the presence of microbes, silver ions bind to

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Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com] > Sent: Monday, 3 March 2003 11:33 a.m. > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver > > > Jason wrote: > > > Here is another quote from a team of medical science > doctors, in a study > &g

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John Stanley wrote: > The Altman study found silver present in the urine. The components of > urine are filtered from the bloodstream. Judging by the description of > the CS used in the Altman study, it was likely mostly ionic. If ionic > silver isn't found in the blood, how does predominantly ion

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Hey! A very good point in this ongoing discussion; Thanks! Take care, Malcolm At 05:10 AM 3/3/03 -0600, you wrote: In article <001b01c2e027$96d39430$0300a...@pent424k>, "Frank Key" wrote: > >If ionic silver were able to exist in the bloodstream it would seem that one >would be able to ingest

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ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: > Okay, we've heard some really good arguments in favor and against > ionic silver and particulate silver from both camps. A lot of > important information has been conveyed through this thread and I am > grateful to all of the authors who have contributed to it. One of

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How on earth did you get from colloidal silver to antimatter? Marshall James Allison wrote: > You said "The truth is that a silver solution whose silver content is > predominantly ionic silver should not be labeled as "colloidal silver". The > FTC would call that product mislabeled" > > I say, g

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In article <094b01c2e06d$082980f0$66917...@cc160766a>, "Jason Eaton" wrote: >I'm currently following several MD supervised CS treatments for Hep C, and >from what I can tell, your product performs about equal to the rest of the >results I've been following. Are any of the other products being us

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In article <001b01c2e027$96d39430$0300a...@pent424k>, "Frank Key" wrote: > >If ionic silver were able to exist in the bloodstream it would seem that one >would be able to ingest ionic silver, draw a blood sample and measure the >ionic silver concentration found in the blood using an Ion Selective

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oride is not present. frank key > My understanding that petrie dish was quick easy way to test effect only. A > first step. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Malcolm Stebbins" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Anth

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perform requiring a minimum of lab equipment. I find it difficult to understand why others have not tried to find silver ions in blood serum. frank key - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Stebbins" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Comment

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gt; Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver > > > > Hi Catherine; > > Regarding the phrases: ("...but it > > >has nothing what so ever to do with how it will behave inside the human > > >body. All such stud

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not. Take care, Malcolm At 04:38 PM 3/2/03 -0700, you wrote: My understanding that petrie dish was quick easy way to test effect only. A first step. - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Stebbins" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Comment

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Dear Malcolm, You said: body. Nothing could be farther from the truth.") Which readers are left with what false impression? Well, I'll coin the phrase; "All the world are fools, excepting thee and me, and I sometim

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My understanding that petrie dish was quick easy way to test effect only. A first step. - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Stebbins" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver > Hi Catherine; > Regarding the phrases:

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Thank you Frank, this is straight. What about looking for the eventual fate of these ions, and considering the dilution factor of 250 mL of 20 ppm into some 6000 mL of blood volume, average human capacity: Even if ALL the ingested ions were to make it into the blood stream in one moment, and re

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Jason wrote: > Here is another quote from a team of medical science doctors, in a study > conducted to determine if coated catheters would be successful in-vivo: > By Robert A. Jeanmenne, Jr., Caterpillar Inc., York, PA > Mark DeLaurentis, MD., Memorial Hospital, Easton, MD > Kambiz Pourrezaeik,

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Hi Catherine; Regarding the phrases: ("...but it >has nothing what so ever to do with how it will behave inside the human >body. All such studies fail to ever mention that fact,...") What, then, is the point of even making Petrie dishes, much less making the hundreds of thousands of researches w

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cannot cause argyria, and I thought that your website stated that mesosilver was superior to ionic silver as used externally, by direct effect. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: "Frank Key" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 6:04 AM Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Com

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> >particles of silver in pure water." > > > >I am vary curious and am wondering if you could please let me know the > >reference data to support #2? Thanks so much! > > > >Yours in health, > >James Allison > > > > > > > > > &

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could please let me know the reference data to support #2? Thanks so much! Yours in health, James Allison - Original Message ----- From: "Frank Key" To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: CS>CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver > Please let the produc

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Malcolm wrote: > Hi Catherine, I think it would be worthwhile for you to clarify and delimit > your blanket approval of "this" to one or several of the statements and/or > dependent implications Frank Key makes in the first paragraph you quoted; > you can nit-pick it as well as I, the first three

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Final note to James: The most important difference between ionic silver and silver particles is that ionic silver forms silver chloride when exposed to chloride ions. Silver particles do not. Simple test to demonstrate this: Add one drop of diluted hydrochloric acid (HCL) to a glass full of ionic

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Andy wrote: > Okay, we've heard some really good arguments in favor and against ionic silver and > particulate silver from both camps. A lot of important information has been conveyed > through this thread and I am grateful to all of the authors who have contributed to it. > One of the issues that

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Dear Frank, You said: <> **I think it has already come to that. When I became embroiled in a 'CS does not cause argyria' argument on a conventional medicine list (where I normally lurk to keep track of their actions and attitudes), they offered to me numerous PubMed studies as evidence, NONE

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o different classes of > > products, > > > > and this just isn't true. > > > > > > > > I find silver particles just as fascinating as silver ions. My > > > > understanding on the silver colloid is as follows: > > > > > > >

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Dear Malcolm, You said: <> ** This is the statement to which I was referring: >Killing power of ionic silver in a Petri dish may be interesting but it >has nothing what so ever to do with how it will behave inside the human >body. All such studies fail to ever mention that fact, and in

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Hi Catherine, I think it would be worthwhile for you to clarify and delimit your blanket approval of "this" to one or several of the statements and/or dependent implications Frank Key makes in the first paragraph you quoted; you can nit-pick it as well as I, the first three sentences alone (not

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Okay, we've heard some really good arguments in favor and against ionic silver and particulate silver from both camps. A lot of important information has been conveyed through this thread and I am grateful to all of the authors who have contributed to it. One of the issues that caught my attenti

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Dear James, You said: <> ** There is nothing here that tells me they are not just repeating what they heard - heck, millions of us heard it. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found a

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I use should the need arise. Yours in health, James Allison - Original Message - From: "C Creel" To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver > > We got here to this discussion by discussing the effectiveness of CS, or

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; potential ). > > > > > > Apparently, there is something being overlooked, at least in the > > comparison > > > of effectiveness between silver ions and a silver colloid. > > > > > > I prefer a highly ionic solution over a highly particulate one

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James wrote (see below): Firstly, I would not hang my hat on an FDA definition. They don't even know the definition of colloidal silver. They define colloidal silver as being in a gelatinous base. A water soluble metal salt produces a solution when dissolved in water. Silver ions are water solubl

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James wrote: > Frank, on your site, you have the following... > > "Does Mesosilver cause Argyria? > No. Argyria is a discoloration of the skin wherein the skin turns a > blue-grey color as a result of over exposure to certain forms of silver. > Argyria is known to be caused by ingesting; 1) silve

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Gosh, it made perfect sense to me. Yours in health, James Allison - Original Message - From: "Solar" To: "James Allison" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: CS>Re[2]: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver > > Please, let us not try and impres

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S> The positive charge S> of ionic silver is caused by a LACK of an electron, and has ABSOLUTELY S> NOTHING to do with silver, whether ionic or colloidal. That SHOULD have read different. It should say... The positive charge exhibited by ionic silver has to do with the fact that it is missing

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Hello James, Saturday, March 1, 2003, 6:19:21 PM, you wrote: JA> You said "The truth is that a silver solution whose silver content is JA> predominantly ionic silver should not be labeled as "colloidal silver". The JA> FTC would call that product mislabeled" JA> I say, going by the following def

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My thoughts about using CS for anthrax were geared toward a "plan B" for example, a large segment of population is infected, there are long lines at the emergency room; service is not looking certain...Plan B would be a good thing to haveI can't think of anything else to use except ozon

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Frank said: <> ** I have to agree with Frank on this. I'm a big fan of and advocate for CS. But I think that each time claims are made that are unfounded the more ammunition we give to those who wish to shut down the CS business. Some time back on this list, people tried to find the or

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You said "The truth is that a silver solution whose silver content is predominantly ionic silver should not be labeled as "colloidal silver". The FTC would call that product mislabeled" I say, going by the following definitions, ionic silver seems to be a colloid. What say you? Since you mention

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t; of effectiveness between silver ions and a silver colloid. > > > > I prefer a highly ionic solution over a highly particulate one because the > > direct action of silver ions against pathogens and with human cells has > been > > scientifically and conclusively demo

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Frank: Erase my comment about your statements about Argyria... I see that they've been modified since I last checked. Best, Jason -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, addres

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urious and am wondering if you could please let me know the reference data to support #2? Thanks so much! Yours in health, James Allison - Original Message - From: "Frank Key" To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: CS>CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver &

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gt; > It would be nice to understand why a quality silver colloid and a quality > ionic silver are equally effective, if indeed they are. The obvious answer > is that they are both isolated silver products. I'm sure if we search hard > we could find a complicated one, and this migh

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d we could find a complicated one, and this might be revealing. Best regards, Jason - Original Message ----- From: ascottsil...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:51 PM Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver Hi Charles, I guess

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01, 2003 6:53 AM Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver > > > > > > >I don't remember Frances ever making the claim that an ion is larger than > >a particle, al contrar: > > > ><http://www.silvermedicine.org/

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According to "General Chemistry" 9th edition by HOLTZCLAW, ROBINSON and ODON, the silver atom is 1.44 anstroms in radius and the silver +1 ion is 1.26. I think a + ion is always smaller than the uncharged atom since it has lost an enectron. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: > > > > > >I don't remembe

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Jason, Somewhere in my "mess" I have a report from "Hawkins Jensen" (I believe that is the name) where they tested 3 ppm, 10 ppm, and 20 ppm against 2 virii and 2 bacterial. The test data showed the 3 ppm was many time superior than the other two!! They also had a 1 ppm but did not report that as

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I don't remember Frances ever making the claim that an ion is larger than a particle, al contrar: http://www.silvermedicine.org/attributesofsilverparticlesandsolutions.html You'll note that Frances clearly states t

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, and this might be revealing. Best regards, Jason - Original Message - From: ascottsil...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:51 PM Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver Hi Charles, I guess I get confused by the nomenclature. Thi

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Hi Charles, I guess I get confused by the nomenclature. This is my understanding: Ionic = Single silver atoms with a charge of +1. Particulate = Several silver atoms clumped together with a charge of less than +1. Colloid = Anything that is small enough to stay in solution without falling out o