Re: CSCS and Raw Milk - Vitamin B12 - Comfrey

2006-02-14 Thread hj
At 03:12 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote: Among other things, the process creates Vitamin C and Vitamin B12 - especially the latter is interesting because there are no other plant sources for it. Heidrun: Comfrey is the only land plant known to derive and store Vitamin B-12 from the soil. It also has

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk - Vitamin B12 - Comfrey

2006-02-14 Thread Heidrun Beer
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:46:03 -0500, hj wrote in 7.0.0.16.2.20060214143910.041b7...@earthlink.net: At 03:12 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote: Among other things, the process creates Vitamin C and Vitamin B12 - especially the latter is interesting because there are no other plant sources for it. Heidrun:

CSKefir, was Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-11 Thread sol
Commercially sold Kefir does not contain all the ingredients of natural Kefir. I believe it is the yeasts which are not present. Kefir grains are colonies of bacteria and yeasts. Even the commercially sold Kefir making starters do not contain the complete range of organisms and will not

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread Marshalee Hallett
So what IS soured and clabbered milk, if not spoiled??? I wouldn`t drink it that way, do you? Marshalee Raw milk do not spoils. It will clabber and sour but not spoil. Barbara

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread Nenah Sylver
Barbara: Raw milk do not spoils. It will clabber and sour but not spoil. Marshalee: So what IS soured and clabbered milk, if not spoiled??? I wouldn`t drink it that way, do you? Nenah: It has to do with the types of bacteria that are in the food. Just as there is friendly bacteria in your

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread Barbara
Soured and clabbered milk is even MORE healthful than fresh milk. It is choke full of health repairing bacteria, enzymes, vitamins and minerals. In fact, ALL lacto-fermented foods like veggies, fruits and juices are giving longevity to people who are smart enough to incorporate them in their

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread Heidrun Beer
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:10:57 -0500, Nenah Sylver wrote in 023b01c62e64$f5ce40a0$2f01a...@yourpd3mh0abgs: Barbara: Raw milk do not spoils. It will clabber and sour but not spoil. Marshalee: So what IS soured and clabbered milk, if not spoiled??? I wouldn`t drink it that way, do you? Nenah:

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread Barbara
Yes, of course you are right Nenah. I was talking about fresh milk that will sour and ferment into beneficial yogurt or kefir. Someone was talking about keeping kefir in fridge for weeks and it was still good to eat. There is fundamental diffrence between store bought, pasteurized and

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread Marshalee Hallett
Choke is right...Yecch. (I think you meant chock...) No, I don`t touch sour cream, never have and never will, but I do eat some yogurt occasionally but only if it has fruit and sugar. Healthful or not, I`m not touching rotten milk. So I die sooner, who cares?! BTW, how can fruits

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread Barbara
To each his/her own. Barbara Choke is right...Yecch. (I think you meant chock...) No, I don`t touch sour cream, never have and never will, but I do eat some yogurt occasionally but only if it has fruit and sugar. Healthful or not, I`m not touching rotten milk. So I

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread Heidrun Beer
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:47:21 -0700, Marshalee Hallett wrote in 001301c62e72$6d7fcf80$0200a...@cammieisjx2iu2: BTW, how can fruits or veggies be lacto-fermented??? They are shredded, compacted, and then sealed against oxygen. Stored first around 20 degree Celsius, later the temperature can

CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread patriot2000
...Someone was talking about keeping kefir in fridge for weeks and it was still good to eat. Yes. That is true. The flavor does get stronger over time, however, and I like to dilute it down a bit with fresh just before drinking. And if there are bits of kefir grains in the refrigerated kefir,

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread mborgert
i BUY KEFIR FROM THE GROCERY STORE. WILL IT CONTINUE TO GROW? THANKS MARY -- Original message -- From: patriot2...@mindspring.com ---BeginMessage--- ...Someone was talking about keeping kefir in fridge for weeks and it was still good to eat. Yes. That is

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread Deborah Gerard
I like sour cream but does the process they put it thru take out alot of the benefit's?...debbie Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Soured and clabbered milk is even MORE healthful than fresh milk. It is choke full of health repairing bacteria, enzymes, vitamins and minerals.

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread Barbara
Yes, most of the benefits are taken out by the commercial prosessing, especially by ultra pasteurizing. OTOH, raw sweet cream or raw sour cream are very healthy because they are mostly saturated, animal fat. Barbara I like sour cream but does the process they put it thru take out

CSCS and raw milk

2006-02-10 Thread patriot2000
i BUY KEFIR FROM THE GROCERY STORE. WILL IT CONTINUE TO GROW? THANKS MARY -- I don't think commercial kefir will grow. In fact, even buying kefir starter from sources such as Dr. Mercola only allows you to make about 6 batches of kefir before it is exhausted, as I understand. You

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-10 Thread Deborah Gerard
the raw milk and sweet cream sound yummie to me... Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Yes, most of the benefits are taken out by the commercial prosessing, especially by ultra pasteurizing. OTOH, raw sweet cream or raw sour cream are very healthy because they are mostly

CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-09 Thread d...@altsystem.com
Hi: We are looking into buying raw whole milk from a licensed dairy. But there is still that little bit of concern that we have been conditioned to have about possible harmful bacteria in the milk. I have looked into this and find that this is VERY unlikely nowadays - pasteurization was

CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-09 Thread patriot2000
Hi, Del! I buy raw milk here in California to make kefir. The kefir grains also work in regular pasteurized milk, but I prefer the raw to have the product be as natural as possible, just as it was made by the people who live in cultures where there is major dependence upon it. I found I

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-09 Thread Barbara
Ummmthe raw, unadulterated milk has lots of living enzymes and living, beneficial bacteria and that is what makes the raw milk so healthful. Killing all bacteria with CS is counterproductive. Also, the bacteria in milk kills pathogenic bacteria within only 24 hours. Raw milk do not

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-09 Thread Susan
*twinkle* Barbara! Susan Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Ummmthe raw, unadulterated milk has lots of living enzymes and living, beneficial bacteria and that is what makes the raw milk so healthful. Killing all bacteria with CS is counterproductive. Also, the

Re: CSCS and Raw Milk

2006-02-09 Thread Barbara
LOL... Barbara *twinkle* Barbara! Susan