Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Sun, Jun 07, 2015 at 08:45:14PM -0400, Clem Cole wrote: > ​I fear you might be missunderstanding/confusing the "usage" rights and the > "ownership" rights.​ Perhaps, yes. > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 4:00 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > > > If A gives B a software product under GPL then A must pro

Re: [Simh] HP 2100/1000 A-series

2015-06-08 Thread Holger Veit
Am 07.06.2015 um 05:40 schrieb J. David Bryan: On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 21:44, Cory Smelosky wrote: It seems there's no current SIMH support for the HP 1000 A-series system (A900, A990, A600 et cetera) meaning RTE-A (with the ARPA/1000 software!) is unfortunately out. That's correct. Lo

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-06-08 09:07, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: On Sun, Jun 07, 2015 at 08:45:14PM -0400, Clem Cole wrote: ​I fear you might be missunderstanding/confusing the "usage" rights and the "ownership" rights.​ Perhaps, yes. I think the larger difference is that you (Pontus) are talking about if you m

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 01:24:39PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > Which is essentially anyone. Since, if you do release it, you cannot > restrict who can use it. The point I'm trying to make is that B has no obligation to anyone but C. If C starts to make the software available no-one can de

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread David Brownlee
On 8 June 2015 at 12:36, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 01:24:39PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: >> >> Which is essentially anyone. Since, if you do release it, you cannot >> restrict who can use it. > > The point I'm trying to make is that B has no obligation to anyone but > C.

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 12:57:21PM +0100, David Brownlee wrote: > > GPLv2 states: > > 2b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in > whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any > part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third >

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-06-08 13:36, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 01:24:39PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Which is essentially anyone. Since, if you do release it, you cannot restrict who can use it. The point I'm trying to make is that B has no obligation to anyone but C. If C starts to

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-06-08 14:09, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 12:57:21PM +0100, David Brownlee wrote: GPLv2 states: 2b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed a

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 03:18:50PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2015-06-08 13:36, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > >On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 01:24:39PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: > >> > >>Which is essentially anyone. Since, if you do release it, you cannot > >>restrict who can use it. > > > >The

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 03:24:32PM +0200, Andreas Davour wrote: > > How about we pend this discussion until we know if the code in > question will be relicenced to Bob's satisfaction? If the list owner tells me to take it off list I will. /P ___ Simh m

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 03:31:42PM +0200, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > > A little contrived, I know, but I still maintain that C has no claim > towards A. I stand corrected: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhatDoesWrittenOfferValid Sorry guys :) Educational for me at least. /P __

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-06-08 15:35, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 03:21:51PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Uh... You cannot choose who to distribute it to. That is the whole point of GPL, and is what puts it apart from just any company copyright control. Certainly I can :) at least in the

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 03:21:51PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > Uh... You cannot choose who to distribute it to. That is the whole > point of GPL, and is what puts it apart from just any company > copyright control. Certainly I can :) at least in the first step. > If you make it available

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
On Monday, June 08, 2015 at 6:25 AM, Andreas Davour wrote: > How about we pend this discussion until we know if the code in question will > be relicenced to Bob's satisfaction? Well, as mentioned earlier by Tom Morris, the original author changed to a BSD (in Clem's terms Dead Fish) License almos

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Clem Cole
I appologies to the list for turning this into a religious war, I did not intend that ​. I should have known better, but I had hoped to avoid it by trying to be fair and factual​ . I had hoped to enducate a few people on why the GPL might night be desired ​ by many projects.​ ​To Pontus, I'm not

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 11:52:48AM -0400, Clem Cole wrote: > I appologies to the list for turning this into a religious war, I did not > intend that ​. Oh this was hardly a war :) Hardly even a squabble. And there is really nothing religious about my views. I think we stand closer than you might

Re: [Simh] Pontus asks Is [the] BSD [license] liberal enough?

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 08:02:09AM -0700, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm wrote: > > That said, the code involved isn't in any way derived from a simh simulator > so > there is nothing just waiting to be 'folded in' to the simh project. Some > pieces of might be useful for someone implementing a ne

Re: [Simh] [HECnet] Announcing TCP/IP for RSX-11M-PLUS

2015-06-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
About three months since I last announced anything. There have been various development since, and I figured I should encourage people who are using BQTCP/IP for RSX to upgrade to the latest release. A short list of changes: ICMP: . ICMP packets accidentally lost the source IP address informato