[Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-09 Thread Alan Perry
What are the steps for adding storage to a SIMH vax (vax750, to be specific) running 4.3BSD? I created disk image files on the host OS of the proper size (for RA82s) and attached them through the .ini file. However, they don't have partition tables and this version of BSD doesn't seem to have a

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-09 Thread Rhialto
I'm not sure if 4.3 already has disklabels. In any case, before disklabels, partitions were compiled into the kernel, with several combinations presupplied. Maybe /etc/disktab has some hints. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 . Please excuse my brevity._

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-09 Thread Alan Perry
I added the partition info for ra82 to /etc/disktab and indicate ra82 when I run newfs, but newfs reports "Don't have a parition table for a DU RA 82". On 5/9/17 10:03 AM, Rhialto wrote: I'm not sure if 4.3 already has disklabels. In any case, before disklabels, partitions were compiled into t

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-09 Thread Anders Magnusson
4.3BSD has its partition tables compiled into the driver. You can generate the C code for the disk drivers using diskpart based on disktab. Note that you must use the same entry in the device driver that you later use for newfs (which reads the disk partition stuff from disktab). -- R Den 2

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-10 Thread Jason Stevens
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 12:57 AM > To: simh@trailing-edge.com > Subject: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD > > What are the steps for adding storage to a SIMH vax (vax750, to be > specific) running 4.3BSD? I created disk image files on the host OS of

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-10 Thread Alan Perry
this point. > > If you don't care, just use the 0c devices aka 'whole disk' ... or I recall > that working well enough. > >> -- >> From:Alan Perry >> Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2017 12:57 AM >> To:simh@trailing-edge.com >>

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-10 Thread Bob Eager
ices aka 'whole disk' ... or > > I recall that working well enough. > > > >> -- > >> From:Alan Perry > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 12:57 AM > >> To:simh@trailing-edge.com > >> Subject:[Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD >

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-10 Thread Alan Perry
on't care, just use the 0c devices aka 'whole disk' ... or I recall that working well enough. -- From:Alan Perry Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2017 12:57 AM To:simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD What are the steps fo

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-10 Thread Alan Perry
pes in the drivers at this point. If you don't care, just use the 0c devices aka 'whole disk' ... or I recall that working well enough. -- From:Alan Perry Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2017 12:57 AM To:simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: [Simh] Adding storage to vax run

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-10 Thread Anders Magnusson
point. If you don't care, just use the 0c devices aka 'whole disk' ... or I recall that working well enough. -- From:Alan Perry Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2017 12:57 AM To:simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD What are the step

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-10 Thread Alan Perry
coded partition types in the drivers at this point. If you don't care, just use the 0c devices aka 'whole disk' ... or I recall that working well enough. -- From:Alan Perry Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2017 12:57 AM To:simh@trailing-edge.com Subject:[Simh] Addin

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-10 Thread Alan Perry
I recall that working well enough. -- From:Alan Perry Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2017 12:57 AM To: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject:[Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD What are the steps for adding storage to a SIMH vax (vax750, to be specific) running 4.3BSD? I created disk i

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-10 Thread Bob Eager
;s a > >>> hard coded partition types in the drivers at this point. > >>> > >>> If you don't care, just use the 0c devices aka 'whole disk' ... or > >>> I recall that working well enough. > >>> > >>>> -

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-10 Thread Johnny Billquist
27;s a hard coded partition types in the drivers at this point. If you don't care, just use the 0c devices aka 'whole disk' ... or I recall that working well enough. -- From:Alan Perry Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2017 12:57 AM To:simh@trailing-edge.com Subject:[S

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-10 Thread Anders Magnusson
d partition types in the drivers at this point. If you don't care, just use the 0c devices aka 'whole disk' ... or I recall that working well enough. -- From:Alan Perry Sent:Wednesday, May 10, 2017 12:57 AM To:simh@trailing-edge.com Subject:[Simh] Adding stora

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-11 Thread Jason Stevens
>>>>> I have tried to run newfs on partition c and it fails, >complaining >>>>>> about the lack of a partition table. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 10, 2017, at 07:29, Jason Stevens >>>>>>> wrote: >>>

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-11 Thread Paul Koning
> On May 11, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Jason Stevens > wrote: > > Ah now that makes more sense! > > On May 11, 2017 5:11:34 AM GMT+08:00, Alan Perry wrote: > > Problem solved. Apparently this kernel doesn't know about RA82s. I > changed them to RA81 and it worked fine. > > alan Yikes. The whole

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-11 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2017-05-11 15:34, Paul Koning wrote: On May 11, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Jason Stevens wrote: Ah now that makes more sense! On May 11, 2017 5:11:34 AM GMT+08:00, Alan Perry wrote: Problem solved. Apparently this kernel doesn't know about RA82s. I changed them to RA81 and it worked fine. alan

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-11 Thread Clem Cole
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > True. However, it isn't actually the geometry that cause the Unix messup > here, but the fact that Unix divided disks into partitions. So it needed to > know where each partition started. And before disklabels, it was hardcoded > per disk

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-11 Thread Bob Eager
On Thu, 11 May 2017 22:37:59 +0200 Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2017-05-11 15:34, Paul Koning wrote: > > > >> On May 11, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Jason Stevens > >> wrote: > >> > >> Ah now that makes more sense! > >> > >> On May 11, 2017 5:11:34 AM GMT+08:00, Alan Perry > >> wrote: > >> > >> Problem

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-11 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2017-05-11 22:52, Clem Cole wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Johnny Billquist mailto:b...@softjar.se>> wrote: True. However, it isn't actually the geometry that cause the Unix messup here, but the fact that Unix divided disks into partitions. So it needed to know where eac

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-11 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2017-05-11 23:02, Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 11 May 2017 22:37:59 +0200 Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2017-05-11 15:34, Paul Koning wrote: On May 11, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Jason Stevens wrote: Ah now that makes more sense! On May 11, 2017 5:11:34 AM GMT+08:00, Alan Perry wrote: Problem solve

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-11 Thread Sergey Oboguev
Johnny Billquist wrote: > Well, MSCP was a good solution, and it's rather funny to now watch SATA > and SAS, which is almost a carbon copy of MSCP and DSI, but 20 years later. Unless I am mistaken, SCSI (at least in the form of SASI) preceded MSCP chronologically and perhaps inspired the

Re: [Simh] Adding storage to vax running 4.3BSD

2017-05-11 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2017-05-12 01:15, Sergey Oboguev wrote: Johnny Billquist wrote: * * /> Well, MSCP was a good solution, and it's rather funny to now watch SATA and SAS, which is almost a carbon copy of MSCP and DSI, but 20 years later