Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-08 Thread Clem cole
There was another system that came out at the same time as Solo and the UCSD system: Tunis from Ric Holt then at Toronto. It's written in concurrent Euclid which was one of many Pascal influenced languages of the time. It originally ran on the 11 but I believe was later moved to the 68k and I

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-08 Thread Clem Cole
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Ron Young wrote: > > http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/Brinch_Hansen_SOLO/ ​Note to Al Kossow -- you might consider renaming this directory. His first name is "Per" as in Per Brinch Hansen. He chewed me out once because I had always shortened i

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-08 Thread Will Senn
Thanks! UCSD seems to be much more user friendly than SOLO. I look forward to messing around with it. Will On 2/8/16 11:54 AM, Ron Young wrote: Your message dated: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 21:48:08 -0600 Ron, I'm interested and interested in any documentation if there is any as well. Regar

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-08 Thread Ron Young
Your message dated: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 21:48:08 -0600 > Ron, > > I'm interested and interested in any documentation if there is any as well. > > Regards, > > Will > The SOLO os stuff is also available on bitsavers http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/Brinch_Hansen_SOL

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-07 Thread Ron Young
On Feb 7, 2016 4:25 AM, khandy21yo wrote: > > If you want to get serious about OCRing documents, look at how Project > Gutenberg does ir,  > > ? After OCR each page goes through 3 passes of cleanup and formatting. > When I was doing my masters, I worked on OCR/IR... It has been a while but some

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-07 Thread khandy21yo
-edge.com Subject Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation > On Feb 6, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > > ... > I think Tesseract is pretty close to the quality of ABBYY.  Google has > trained it on a very large corpus and it's used for Google Books, Google > Drive

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-07 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2016-02-06 20:32, Dave Wade wrote: -Original Message- From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Paul Koning Sent: 06 February 2016 19:01 To: Timothe Litt Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation On Feb 5, 2016, at 6

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-07 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2016-02-06 20:13, Tom Morris wrote: On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Johnny Billquist mailto:b...@softjar.se>> wrote: On 2016-02-06 14:40, Sergii Kolisnyk wrote: at least RT-11 V5.6 docs on Bitsavers are preserved in electronic form, not scanned (PDFs are probably

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-06 Thread Timothe Litt
On 06-Feb-16 16:05, Paul Koning wrote: >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Tom Morris wrote: >> >> ... >> I think Tesseract is pretty close to the quality of ABBYY. Google has >> trained it on a very large corpus and it's used for Google Books, Google >> Drive OCR, etc, so it gets a fair amount of a

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-06 Thread Paul Koning
> On Feb 6, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > > ... > I think Tesseract is pretty close to the quality of ABBYY. Google has > trained it on a very large corpus and it's used for Google Books, Google > Drive OCR, etc, so it gets a fair amount of attention. Of course, a lot of > the train

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-06 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Paul > Koning > Sent: 06 February 2016 19:01 > To: Timothe Litt > Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com > Subject: Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation > > > > On Feb

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-06 Thread Tom Morris
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > On Feb 5, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: > > > > Some of the PDFs on bitsavers are searchable. It would be a good > > project to OCR the rest into searchable pdfs - as that also means that > > the text can be extracted. OCR is ge

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-06 Thread Timothe Litt
On 06-Feb-16 14:01, Paul Koning wrote: >> On Feb 5, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: >> >> Some of the PDFs on bitsavers are searchable. It would be a good >> project to OCR the rest into searchable pdfs - as that also means that >> the text can be extracted. OCR is getting good enough (fi

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-06 Thread Tom Morris
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2016-02-06 14:40, Sergii Kolisnyk wrote: > >> >> at least RT-11 V5.6 docs on Bitsavers are preserved in electronic form, >> not scanned (PDFs are probably just distilled). >> > > Wow. That is just beautiful. Do you know how those came a

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-06 Thread Paul Koning
> On Feb 5, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: > > Some of the PDFs on bitsavers are searchable. It would be a good > project to OCR the rest into searchable pdfs - as that also means that > the text can be extracted. OCR is getting good enough (finally) that > it's feasible. I'm sure tha

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-06 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2016-02-06 14:40, Sergii Kolisnyk wrote: Hi, at least RT-11 V5.6 docs on Bitsavers are preserved in electronic form, not scanned (PDFs are probably just distilled). Wow. That is just beautiful. Do you know how those came about? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm o

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-06 Thread Sergii Kolisnyk
Hi, at least RT-11 V5.6 docs on Bitsavers are preserved in electronic form, not scanned (PDFs are probably just distilled). Best regards, Sergii ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Cory Smelosky
Note: I have some TOPS-20 oddities so my documentation is slightly unusual... Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2016, at 22:57, Cory Smelosky wrote: > > A lot of the TOPS-20 manuals are plain text, or at least TeX, so convertible. > > How do you use the simulators?do screen readers handle them w

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Cory Smelosky
A lot of the TOPS-20 manuals are plain text, or at least TeX, so convertible. How do you use the simulators?do screen readers handle them well? I wonder how hard using expect to hook espeak/festival in to simh 's console system would be... Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2016, at 14:50, Zachar

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Tom Morris
I actually started to put together a toolchain to OCR the bitsavers documentation a few days ago. I'm not sure why Kevin mentioned MUMPS, but since MUMPS-11, the precursor to DSM-11 and VAX-11 DSM, was my first introduction to DEC kit, I was using the PDP-15 MUMPS manual as my test subject. I've

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Ron Young
On Feb 5, 2016 3:19 PM, Kevin Handy wrote: > > I think there was also a PDP11 version of a Pascal OS (??name forgotten at > the moment), and several FORTH systems too. > Two pascal operating systems that come to are UCSD and SOLO (Per Brunch Hansen's research os) ... I have bootable rk05 simh

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Kevin Handy
I believe that VMS is probable the only one of DEC's Operating Systems that is likely to have machine readable documentation (Both PDF and HTML iirc.). All of the other OSs were mostly out of production by the time that HTML and PDF's became popular, and I don't believe that DEC ever gave away the

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Johnny Billquist
Hi. Afraid I am unaware of any attempts to OCR or retype the documentation. It's a pet peeve of mine, but most other people around here seem to prefer bitmaps of scans of the documentation. So I don't really expect anything to happen there. How were the systems installed? For PDP-11 systems,

Re: [Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Timothe Litt
Some of the PDFs on bitsavers are searchable. It would be a good project to OCR the rest into searchable pdfs - as that also means that the text can be extracted. OCR is getting good enough (finally) that it's feasible. I'm sure that they'd be accepted back into bitsavers - searchable is good

[Simh] OSs with accessible documentation

2016-02-05 Thread Zachary Kline
Hi All, So the recent RSTS/E discussion has got me wondering what OS’s I might be able to run under SIMH with readable documentation. As a totally blind enthusiast I can’t really use the Bitsavers collection without manually running OCR on the PDFs, a tedious and error-prone process. I’m aware