[Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

I have ULTRIX 4.0 working on Simh VAX (the 3900 I think, the default is) and that's fine. I don't need to worry about which VAX model for my purposes. Since it's under discussion, though, can anyone point to a forum or mailing list where ULTRIX is still discussed? I have questions about compiling/

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On 2015-07-11 20:46, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: I have ULTRIX 4.0 working on Simh VAX (the 3900 I think, the default is) and that's fine. I don't need to worry about which VAX model for my purposes. Since it's under discussion, though, can anyone point to a forum or mailing list where ULTRIX is sti

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

1) as ultrix as others have said lived well but was replaced so finding people doing active development is likely going to be tough 2) there are some places that you will find some of the old folks that might remember + the classic computers forum which is a group of people that work w

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

Thanks Clem and Johnny for at least confirming what I suspected. I worked with VMS on Vaxen in the 80s, At the time I wished for an opportunity to compare VMS with UNIX on the same hardware. In the 90s I worked with UNIX, mostly AIX on RS/6000. Today I mostly use Linux, though I have a couple of Al

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

> El 12/07/2015, a les 13:52, Gary Lee Phillips va > escriure: > > > I keep looking for a way to get a "real" UNIX going, hence the ULTRIX > experiment. As far as I can tell, neither Tru64 nor HP-UX have any Wouln’t solaris qualify as a “real” UNIX? _

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On 2015-07-12 13:52, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: Thanks Clem and Johnny for at least confirming what I suspected. I worked with VMS on Vaxen in the 80s, At the time I wished for an opportunity to compare VMS with UNIX on the same hardware. In the 90s I worked with UNIX, mostly AIX on RS/6000. Today

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

As far as I know, Solaris these days only runs on Intel hardware. I've tried it there, and it seems to devote way too much processor power and memory to making pretty windowed screen displays (a weakness it shares with most Linux distributions.) I guess I didn't make it clear that I'm looking for

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

Get OpenBSD. It's still supported on the alphas and it's genetic UNIX, it just can't be called like that. Jan On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:04:43AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > As far as I know, Solaris these days only runs on Intel hardware. I've > tried it there, and it seems to devote way to

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

Hello! Solaris also runs on SPARC. I have it running here on that. And yes sadly Intel based Solaris is still a performance hog. But its nice to know someone else is out there. Welcome to the party Gary Lee Phillips. - Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars,

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

Also, no Solaris for the VAX or Alpha at all. OpenBSD has been on my radar, though I find all their versions and installation information really confusing. Some sources seem to indicate that OpenBSD runs and is supported on VAX as well as Alpha, but the versions referenced in VAX commentary appear

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

NetBSD runs on both VAX & Alpha (even on pmax , DEC's MIPS-based systems). // Christian On 12 July 2015 at 18:27, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > Also, no Solaris fo

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

Has Oracle changed its position with regards to patch availability for the freely available downloads of Solaris x86? Last I heard, patches were not available with out a support contract. ( Granted, HP is no better with its position towards VMS patches, but at least (last I checked) VMS wasn't te

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On 2015-07-12 21:41, David Holland wrote: Has Oracle changed its position with regards to patch availability for the freely available downloads of Solaris x86? Last I heard, patches were not available with out a support contract. ( Granted, HP is no better with its position towards VMS patches,

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On Sun 12 Jul 2015 at 11:27:56 -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > OpenBSD has been on my radar, though I find all their versions and > installation information really confusing. Some sources seem to > indicate that OpenBSD runs and is supported on VAX as well as Alpha, > but the versions referenced

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

>If you want to run on a VAX or Alpha, I don't think Linux even is an >option. You'll have to go with some BSD. NetBSD and OpenBSD both have >support, although if we talk VAXen, I think the support is slightly >better in NetBSD. There is still Linux for Alpha, Johnny, though it's beginning to age

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

Open or Net BSD are likely to be you best bets on an Alpha and I can see advantages to each. As Johnny said NET is likely to be your best bet on a VAX. An issue with any of these will be limited to the GNU development suite [which also has pulses and minuses]. One thing I very much wonder is i

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

Hi, If i am honest i think there would be significant advantages to just running the same OS on all the bits of hardware, NetBSD has a much wider hardware support base, Alpha, pmax and VAX. http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/alpha/ http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/pmax/ http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/vax/ H

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:52:18 -0500 Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > Thanks Clem and Johnny for at least confirming what I suspected. I > worked with VMS on Vaxen in the 80s, At the time I wished for an > opportunity to compare VMS with UNIX on the same hardware. In the 90s > I worked with UNIX, mostly

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:20:19 -0500 Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > There is still Linux for Alpha, Johnny, though it's beginning to age > from lack of supporters. Debian for Alpha exists up through "Sid" I > think. CentOS also had an Alpha version last time I looked. I have run > the Debian versions a

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:45:24 +0200 Johnny Billquist wrote: > What is your definition of "real" Unix? Ultrix is sortof a > BSD-derivative. I hope you understand that. If so and if the OP was aware of that then OpenBSD would be a good option. > The problem with Ultrix is not documentation, but t

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:04:43 -0500 Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > As far as I know, Solaris these days only runs on Intel hardware. Both Solaris 10 and Solaris 11 run on Intel and SPARC. Solaris 11 doesn't run on any SPARC hardware sun4v or older IIRC. > I've tried it there, and it seems to devote

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:08:13 + li...@openmailbox.org wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:20:19 -0500 > Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > > > Clearly VAX or Alpha aren't exactly high on their priority lists. > > Current pages on both BSD sites link to non-existent pages on HP sites, > > for instance. A

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:08 PM, wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:20:19 -0500 > Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > > > There is still Linux for Alpha, Johnny, though it's beginning to age > > from lack of supporters. Debian for Alpha exists up through "Sid" I > > think. CentOS also had an Alpha version l

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:18:22 -0400 Patrick Finnegan wrote: > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:08 PM, wrote: > > > On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:20:19 -0500 > > Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > > > > > There is still Linux for Alpha, Johnny, though it's beginning to age > > > from lack of supporters. Debian for Al

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:04:43AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > As far as I know, Solaris these days only runs on Intel hardware. I've > tried it there, and it seems to devote way too much processor power > and memory to making pretty windowed screen displays (a weakness it > shares with most

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 03:41:49PM -0400, David Holland wrote: > Has Oracle changed its position with regards to patch availability for > the freely available downloads of Solaris x86? > > Last I heard, patches were not available with out a support contract. > > ( Granted, HP is no better with it

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 06:10:25PM +, li...@openmailbox.org wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:04:43 -0500 > Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > > > I guess I didn't make it clear that I'm looking for UNIX to run on VAX > > or Alpha hardware platforms. > > OpenBSD should work. If you are really curious

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

Fwiw, netbsd was the first OS fully booted on simh vax. Vms took a lot more debuggibg.  Original message From Alexander Schreiber Date: 07/13/2015 4:29 PM (GMT-07:00) To Gary Lee Phillips Cc simh@trailing-edge.com Subject Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question On Sun

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

The Intel C/C++ and Fortran Compiler is available for free for Open Source Contributors: https://software.intel.com/en-us/qualify-for-free-software/opensourcecontributor I was just in a meeting with some folks and I verified that an open source project that wants to use the Intel tools may do so.