Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Randall Randall
On Jul 4, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Heartland wrote: On Jul 4, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Tom McCabe wrote: That definition isn't accurate, because it doesn't match what we intuitively see as 'death'. 'Death' is actually fairly easy to define, compared to "good" or even "truth"; I would define it as the permane

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Randall Randall
On Jul 4, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Tom McCabe wrote: --- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 4, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Tom McCabe wrote: So, we die whenever we're put under anesthesia? No, I don't think so. But I thought you just defined death as "the cessation of the process of life". If

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Heartland
Heartland: I would suggest focusing on definition of life first. Only then one can have a decent chance at getting the correct definition of death (absence of life). Life is not just a collection of atoms arranged into a special pattern. It is, at least, a spatiotemporal process guided by a sp

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Jey Kottalam
Sure, but does it matter if I'm "dead" or "not dead" or "physiologically dead but not information theoretically dead" between the time my heart stops and the time when my upload is turned on? I don't care, as long as the upload works. Although I guess I wouldn't notice if I was dead and they could

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Heartland
On Jul 4, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Tom McCabe wrote: That definition isn't accurate, because it doesn't match what we intuitively see as 'death'. 'Death' is actually fairly easy to define, compared to "good" or even "truth"; I would define it as the permanent destruction of a large portion of the inf

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Tom McCabe
I think the debate is not so much over what qualifies as "alive" as what qualifies as "death". Most people couldn't care less about whether viruses are "really" alive, but the death of 150,000 people a day affects virtually everyone. - Tom --- Jey Kottalam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/4/07

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Jey Kottalam
On 7/4/07, Tom McCabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 4, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Tom McCabe wrote: > > > That definition isn't accurate, because it doesn't > > match what we intuitively see as 'death'. 'Death' > is > > actually fairly easy to defin

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Tom McCabe
--- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 4, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Tom McCabe wrote: > > --- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> On Jul 4, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Tom McCabe wrote: > >>> That definition isn't accurate, because it > doesn't > >>> match what we intuitively se

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Randall Randall
On Jul 4, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Tom McCabe wrote: --- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 4, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Tom McCabe wrote: That definition isn't accurate, because it doesn't match what we intuitively see as 'death'. 'Death' is actually fairly easy to define, compared to "good

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Tom McCabe
--- Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 4, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Tom McCabe wrote: > > > That definition isn't accurate, because it doesn't > > match what we intuitively see as 'death'. 'Death' > is > > actually fairly easy to define, compared to "good" > or > > even "truth"; I wo

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 04/07/07, MindInstance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would suggest focusing on definition of life first. Only then one can have a decent chance at getting the correct definition of death (absence of life). Life is not just a collection of atoms arranged into a special pattern. It is, at leas

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 04/07/07, Heartland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right, but Heartland disagrees, and the post was aimed at him and > others who believe that "a copy isn't really you". Stathis, I don't subscribe to your assertion that a person after gradual replacement of atoms in his brain is a copy. Yes,

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Randall Randall
On Jul 4, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Tom McCabe wrote: That definition isn't accurate, because it doesn't match what we intuitively see as 'death'. 'Death' is actually fairly easy to define, compared to "good" or even "truth"; I would define it as the permanent destruction of a large portion of the info

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Heartland
On 04/07/07, Tom McCabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That definition isn't accurate, because it doesn't match what we intuitively see as 'death'. 'Death' is actually fairly easy to define, compared to "good" or even "truth"; I would define it as the permanent destruction of a large portion of the

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI

2007-07-04 Thread Tom McCabe
Death isn't just the absence of life; it's the cessation of life that once existed. The Bootes Void, so far as we know, has no life at all, and yet nobody feels it is a great tragedy. - Tom --- MindInstance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Objective observers care only about the type of a > pers