Re: Re: Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

2006-12-20 Thread Joshua Fox
Ben, If I am beating a dead horse, please feel free to ignore this, but I'm imagining a prototype that shows glimmerings of AGI. Such a system, though not useful or commercially viable, would sometimes act in interesting, even creepy, ways. It might be inconsistent and buggy, and work in a

Re: Re: Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

2006-12-20 Thread Ben Goertzel
Yes, this is one of the things we are working towards with Novamente. Unfortunately, meeting this low barrier based on a genuine AGI architecture is a lot more work than doing so in a more bogus way based on an architecture without growth potential... ben On 12/20/06, Joshua Fox [EMAIL

Re: Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

2006-12-15 Thread Ben Goertzel
Well, the requirements to **design** an AGI on the high level are much steeper than the requirements to contribute (as part of a team) to the **implementation** (and working out of design details) of AGI. I dare say that anyone with a good knowledge of C++, Linux, and undergraduate computer

Re: Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

2006-12-12 Thread Joshua Fox
Ben, The question which I would ask, were I a potential funder How soon can I see something that, though not true AGI, makes me say 'Wow, I've never seen anything like that before.' ? I appreciate that this is an incredibly challenging project, and that in some cases investors will accept a

Re: Re: Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

2006-12-12 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, You mention intermediate steps to AI, but the question is whether these are narrow-AI applications (the bane of AGI projects) or some sort of (incomplete) AGI. According the approach I have charted out (the only one I understand), the true path to AGI does not really involve commercially

Re: Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

2006-12-12 Thread Ben Goertzel
BTW Ben, for the love of God, can you please tell me when your AGI book is coming out? It's been in my Amazon shopping cart for 6 months now! The publisher finally mailed me a copy of the book last week! Ben - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or

Re: Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

2006-12-11 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi Joshua, Thanks for the comments Indeed, the creation of a thinking machine is not a typical VC type project. I know a few VC's personally and am well aware of their way of thinking and the way thir businesses operate. There is a lot of technology risk in the creation of an AGI, as

Re: Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

2006-12-11 Thread Bo Morgan
Ben, My A.I. group of friends (was: CommonSense Computing Group, and is now more scattered) has been trying to do an open-source development for a set of programs that are working toward human-scale intelligence. For example, Hugo Liu's commonsense reasoning toolkit, ConceptNet, was ported

Re: Re: Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

2006-12-11 Thread Ben Goertzel
My main reason for resisting the urge to open-source Novamente is AGI safety concerns. At the moment Novamente is no danger to anyone, but once it gets more advanced, I worry about irresponsible people forking the codebase privately and creating an AGI customized for malicious purposes... This

Re: Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

2006-12-11 Thread Ben Goertzel
The exponential growth pattern holds regardless of whether you normalize by global population size or not... -- Ben On 12/11/06, Chuck Esterbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding de Garis' graph of the number of people who've died in different wars throughout history, are the numbers raw or

Re: Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

2006-12-11 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
Darn. On 12/11/06, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The exponential growth pattern holds regardless of whether you normalize by global population size or not... -- Ben On 12/11/06, Chuck Esterbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding de Garis' graph of the number of people who've died in