Re: [Sip-implementors] SRTP key transmission

2009-06-08 Thread Dale Worley
On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 12:31 +0200, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: > Hi Dale, please don't take me wrong but that sounds too much exotic for me > and > I don't expect a SIP device being so clever in the next 25 years XD I wouldn't be surprised if the peer-to-peer SIP people use such a scheme. After a

Re: [Sip-implementors] SRTP key transmission

2009-06-06 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
El Viernes, 5 de Junio de 2009, Dale Worley escribió: > > Anyhow, it seems that before securing the media transmission, it makes > > sense to also secure the signalling. Since TLS secures the signalling > > it allows the secure tranmission of master key for SRTP. This is, with > > TLS you get all t

Re: [Sip-implementors] SRTP key transmission

2009-06-05 Thread Dale Worley
On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 18:14 +0200, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: > Anyhow, it seems that before securing the media transmission, it makes > sense to also secure the signalling. Since TLS secures the signalling > it allows the secure tranmission of master key for SRTP. This is, with > TLS you get all th

Re: [Sip-implementors] SRTP key transmission

2009-06-04 Thread Vadim Lebedev
You're right it is inconvenience, However in e-mail applications for example it is not considered to be inconvenient, The public keys can be retrieved and stored in the address book in the same way as secure email software does... Thanks Vadim Paul Kyzivat wrote: > A significant limitation in wh

Re: [Sip-implementors] SRTP key transmission

2009-06-04 Thread Paul Kyzivat
A significant limitation in what you propose is that it requires Bob to have a public key that Alice knows. In general we don't find that to be the case in most telephony applications. Thanks, Paul Vadim Lebedev wrote: > I see, > Well this particular attack could be prevented by

Re: [Sip-implementors] SRTP key transmission

2009-06-02 Thread Vadim Lebedev
I see, Well this particular attack could be prevented by adding a timestamp + key validity period into the encrypted material... This is still much cheaper than using SSL in signalling path. Actually the current approach (SSL in signalling path and rtp key in clear in SDP) seems to be weaker i

Re: [Sip-implementors] SRTP key transmission

2009-06-02 Thread Alexander Krassiev
Man in a middle. Encrypted key can be stored and re-used by man-in-a- middle to forge future conversations (to garble the stream). Further enhancing your suggestion will bring us close to SSL/TLS I am afraid. On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Vadim Lebedev wrote: > Vadim Lebedev wrote: > > Any thoug

Re: [Sip-implementors] SRTP key transmission

2009-06-02 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2009/6/2 Vadim Lebedev : > Vadim Lebedev wrote: > > Any thoughts on this issue? > I've just realised that this approach will make lawful interception > REALLY complicated... Maybe this > is the reason there is no an RFC covering it?  Or am i missing something? I don't know the RFC 4568, but if you

Re: [Sip-implementors] SRTP key transmission

2009-06-02 Thread Vadim Lebedev
Vadim Lebedev wrote: Any thoughts on this issue? I've just realised that this approach will make lawful interception REALLY complicated... Maybe this is the reason there is no an RFC covering it? Or am i missing something? Thanks Vadim > Hello, > > I've been reading various RFC describing tran

[Sip-implementors] SRTP key transmission

2009-05-31 Thread Vadim Lebedev
Hello, I've been reading various RFC describing tranmission of master key for SRTP unside SDP's. They require (like in rfc4568) the INVITE/200/ACK be transmitted using TLS to avoid key interception. I wonder why nobody proped following scheme: Alice generates a mester key, encrypts it wih B