Re: Time Pedantry (was Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?)

2010-04-14 Thread Adam Kennedy
Of course, that brings up the issue of WHAT day it is, and the need to cleanly support non-gregorian calendars. And the next thing you know, incrementing by a day involves half a CPU second because you need to run a physical model of the orbit of the moon to work out if you are at a month

Re: Time Pedantry (was Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?)

2010-04-14 Thread Troy Rollo
On Thursday 15 April 2010 13:35:13 Adam Kennedy wrote: And the next thing you know, incrementing by a day involves half a CPU second because you need to run a physical model of the orbit of the moon to work out if you are at a month boundary. If you're trying to deal with that calendar, even

Re: Time Pedantry (was Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?)

2010-04-06 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
On 1 April 2010 16:56, Daniel Pittman dan...@rimspace.net wrote: Nick Andrew n...@nick-andrew.net writes: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:39:00PM +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote: If it was my call, I would probably do the same thing.  Way too many developers get simple things like this day has no

Re: Time Pedantry (was Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?)

2010-04-06 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
On 1 April 2010 17:11, Peter Hardy pe...@hardy.dropbear.id.au wrote: None of this would be a problem if we'd just switch to decimal time in a single timezone and call it a day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List -

Re: Time Pedantry (was Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?)

2010-04-01 Thread Peter Hardy
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 16:56 +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote: ...but the real question is if we love or hate the GMT/UTC difference, and 23:59:61? Daniel Also, do we hate the earthquake that changed the length of the day for messing with our time-keeping?

Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:56:41 +1100 Nick Andrew n...@nick-andrew.net wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:27:23PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Not sure what Linux has to do with this -- there's far more going on (with dates and times especially) in a complex stack of software than just the OS.

Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Nick Andrew On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:27:23PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Not sure what Linux has to do with this -- there's far more going on (with dates and times especially) in a complex stack of software than just the OS. Consider the amount of legacy software and multi-system

Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Nick Andrew
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 05:47:37PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Nick Andrew On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:27:23PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Not sure what Linux has to do with this -- there's far more going on (with dates and times especially) in a complex stack of software than

Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Jake Anderson
Nick Andrew wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 05:47:37PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Nick Andrew On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:27:23PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Not sure what Linux has to do with this -- there's far more going on (with dates and times especially) in a complex

Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Rick Welykochy
Jake Anderson wrote: The bank may well be pretty sure that nothing will go wrong but given the cost/benefit ratio its prudent not to take the chance that there is one line of code somewhere or another in the many tens of millions they have that will freak out when the clock goes backwards.

Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Martin Visser
I have to agree with Daniel. shutting them down is the safe option. Having a service unavailable through the wee hours is far preferable then say having to undo a whole of transactions that inadvertantly get run twice (think of all the automated payment systems scheduled to run at certain times).

Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Jake Anderson
Rick Welykochy wrote: Jake Anderson wrote: The bank may well be pretty sure that nothing will go wrong but given the cost/benefit ratio its prudent not to take the chance that there is one line of code somewhere or another in the many tens of millions they have that will freak out when the

On-line payments: Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:47:32 +1100 Jake Anderson ya...@vapourforge.com wrote: Rick Welykochy wrote: Jake Anderson wrote: The bank may well be pretty sure that nothing will go wrong but given the cost/benefit ratio its prudent not to take the chance that there is one line of code

[SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-03-31 Thread Jim Donovan
I noticed the following on the Commonwealth netbank site this morning: NetBank, Mobile Banking and Telephone Banking will be unavailable between 2am and 5am EST on Sunday 4 April 2010 to allow for the changeover from Australian Eastern Daylight Savings time to Australian Eastern Standard time.

Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-03-31 Thread Rick Welykochy
Jim Donovan wrote: I noticed the following on the Commonwealth netbank site this morning: NetBank, Mobile Banking and Telephone Banking will be unavailable between 2am and 5am EST on Sunday 4 April 2010 to allow for the changeover from Australian Eastern Daylight Savings time to Australian

Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-03-31 Thread Jake Anderson
Jim Donovan wrote: I noticed the following on the Commonwealth netbank site this morning: NetBank, Mobile Banking and Telephone Banking will be unavailable between 2am and 5am EST on Sunday 4 April 2010 to allow for the changeover from Australian Eastern Daylight Savings time to

Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-03-31 Thread David Gillies
Jake Anderson wrote: Odds are its more to do with their internal applications which are probably written on cobalt running on CP/M machines or something equally modern. It'll more likely be an old IBM system Z (aka z series aka s390) mainframe. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List

Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-03-31 Thread Jake Anderson
David Gillies wrote: Jake Anderson wrote: Odds are its more to do with their internal applications which are probably written on cobalt running on CP/M machines or something equally modern. It'll more likely be an old IBM system Z (aka z series aka s390) mainframe. yeah, something along

Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-03-31 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Rick Welykochy Similar for Westpac: Online Banking will be unavailable due to scheduled maintenance from 02:50 to 04:15 AEST on Sunday 4 April 2010. Another one not using Linux. Not sure what Linux has to do with this -- there's far more going on (with dates and times especially)

Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-03-31 Thread Marghanita da Cruz
David Gillies wrote: Jake Anderson wrote: Odds are its more to do with their internal applications which are probably written on cobalt running on CP/M machines or something equally modern. It'll more likely be an old IBM system Z (aka z series aka s390) mainframe. Dated Tue 25 Jun 2002

Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-03-31 Thread Daniel Pittman
Jake Anderson ya...@vapourforge.com writes: Jim Donovan wrote: I noticed the following on the Commonwealth netbank site this morning: NetBank, Mobile Banking and Telephone Banking will be unavailable between 2am and 5am EST on Sunday 4 April 2010 to allow for the changeover from Australian

RE: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-03-31 Thread Troy Rollo
. -Original Message- From: slug-boun...@slug.org.au [mailto:slug-boun...@slug.org.au] On Behalf Of Jeff Waugh Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 3:27 PM To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers? quote who=Rick Welykochy Similar for Westpac: Online

Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-03-31 Thread Nick Andrew
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:39:00PM +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote: If it was my call, I would probably do the same thing. Way too many developers get simple things like this day has no 2:30AM or this day has two 2:00AMs wrong. That's why Daylight Savings is fundamentally evil. Too much time data

Time Pedantry (was Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?)

2010-03-31 Thread Daniel Pittman
Nick Andrew n...@nick-andrew.net writes: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:39:00PM +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote: If it was my call, I would probably do the same thing. Way too many developers get simple things like this day has no 2:30AM or this day has two 2:00AMs wrong. That's why Daylight

Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-03-31 Thread Nick Andrew
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:27:23PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Not sure what Linux has to do with this -- there's far more going on (with dates and times especially) in a complex stack of software than just the OS. Consider the amount of legacy software and multi-system integration involved in a