Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-14 Thread Richard Neal
Makes you wonder because now OSX wont be supporting IE in future Apple will be using a modified version of Konqueror. The problem with IE is its getting old and has some really nasty CSS problems. Ive deployed Mozilla 1.4.1 and Konqueror (in KDE 3.1.1) and I have yet to see a web service thats

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-14 Thread Malcolm V
On Sat, 2003-08-09 at 17:43, Shaun Oliver wrote: can you not change the user agent information with mozilla as with lynx as in the cat/text only browser Welcome to the murky waters. Yes, the poor end user can start playing silly user agent string games, this only works if the detection is based

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-14 Thread Malcolm V
On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 10:16, Brad Kowalczyk wrote: exactly. Why people still think they can use user agent strings to get an accurate indication of the percentage market share for the different browsers out there is beyond me. Unfortunately I think a lot of non IE browsers are calling

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-14 Thread Malcolm V
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 21:42, Shaun Oliver wrote: if she's using mozilla, there shouldn't be too much of a problem as far as I am aware. somebody correct me on this, All it takes is some javascript-monkey to include some OS/Browser detection and you're (she is) heading for murky waters.

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-14 Thread Mary
On Sun, Aug 10, 2003, Brad Kowalczyk wrote: exactly. Why people still think they can use user agent strings to get an accurate indication of the percentage market share for the different browsers out there is beyond me. Unfortunately I think a lot of non IE browsers are calling themselves IE.

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-14 Thread James Gregory
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 10:01, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Angus Lees I was considering packaging an iexplore installer for Debian yesterday. (download the freely available ie*.exe archive on package install and set it up under a wine-using shell wrapper) Oooh, you should get in touch

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-10 Thread Shaun Oliver
*SNIP* All it takes is some javascript-monkey to include some OS/Browser detection and you're (she is) heading for murky waters. hm. can you not change the user agent information with mozilla as with lynx as in the cat/text only browser sorry for my referring to lynx as the cat but, given

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-09 Thread Shaun Oliver
if she's using mozilla, there shouldn't be too much of a problem as far as I am aware. somebody correct me on this, Thus spake Geoffrey Robertson, My wife does some teaching out at USW. They have receintly told her that they will no longer be issueing paper pay slips. They will be online and

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-08 Thread moise lim
On Wednesday 06 August 2003 10:30 pm, Richard Neal wrote: The company Im working for is doing some work for a large global finance company (over 14,000 staff).I was talking to one of the tech 14,000??? did u say 14,000?? eeerrr... 'ang on .. lemme figure that out .. ave MS license x no of

RE: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-05 Thread Jon Biddell
I've just done some research (hehehe) and the person responsible at UWS may be reached (politely) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-05 Thread Mike MacCana
The thing is, if you accept their IE5 `requirement' now, you won't have much of a say when they replace all their web forms with ActiveX controls. Fight, now (politely). Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-04 Thread David Kempe
If its IE5 they want, I am sure a recent build of phoenix with the java and flash plugins would conform to all the IE5 buggy standards. I doubt they bother enforcing it in the web pages, they are just trying to clear out the v4 neanderthals dave - Original Message - From: Geoffrey

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-04 Thread Simon Bryan
Geoffrey Robertson said: My wife does some teaching out at USW. They have receintly told her that they will no longer be issueing paper pay slips. They will be online and she will be required to use IE5 to read them. She has told them that she uses Linux and is waiting for them to get back

RE: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-04 Thread Jon Biddell
-= Geoffrey Robertson said: -= My wife does some teaching out at USW. They have -= receintly told her -= that they will no longer be issueing paper pay slips. -= They will be -= online and she will be required to use IE5 to read -= them. She has -= told them that she uses Linux and is

RE: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-04 Thread David
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Jon Biddell wrote: -= Geoffrey Robertson said: -= My wife does some teaching out at USW. They have -= receintly told her -= that they will no longer be issueing paper pay slips. -= They will be -= online and she will be required to use IE5 to read -= them. She

RE: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-04 Thread Jon Biddell
-= soapbox -= Surely the more interesting aspect is being forced to pay a -= M$ tax simply to be on someones payroll? -= -= If Mrs.Robertson is the sort of person who is willing to be -= the dog at this bone, we could even establish some sort of -= legal precedent. Like all of us, I'm sick of

RE: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-04 Thread Visser, Martin (Sydney)
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 9:42 AM To: Jon Biddell Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Jon Biddell wrote: -= Geoffrey Robertson said: -= My wife does some teaching out at USW. They have -= receintly

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Angus Lees I was considering packaging an iexplore installer for Debian yesterday. (download the freely available ie*.exe archive on package install and set it up under a wine-using shell wrapper) Oooh, you should get in touch with James Gregory, who was doing similar stuff for

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-04 Thread DE LUCA Ben
Doesn't that violate the whole, debian is free software only thing? Is not that one of the things that makes debian good? On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 10:01, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Angus Lees I was considering packaging an iexplore installer for Debian yesterday. (download the freely

Re: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy

2003-08-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=DE LUCA Ben Doesn't that violate the whole, debian is free software only thing? If something like this were even added to Debian, it would be added to non-free (or perhaps contrib, given that the package itself doesn't actually contain non-free software, but that's another flamewar).