[RCSE] re: Rudder Stalls and Turns

2006-08-02 Thread Mark Drela
There is a tendency for R/E models to pitch up when a turn is initiated due to gyroscopic precession. Yes. But this precession effect is very very weak. In my simulation of a BD being given a fast 30 degree rudder input, the nose pitches up by only 0.03 degrees. Nevertheless, in this

[RCSE] re: Rudder Stalls and Turns

2006-08-02 Thread Blaine Beron-Rawdon
@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] re: Rudder Stalls and Turns Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a tendency for R/E models to pitch up when a turn is initiated due to gyroscopic precession. Yes. But this precession effect is very very weak. In my simulation of a BD being given a fast 30 degree rudder

RE: [RCSE] re: Rudder Stalls and Turns

2006-08-02 Thread chris
Blaine: I can see this effect on a moderate sized glider where the plane has inertia, however what happens when using a DLG? I am trying to understand the observations we see when a light plane is used. A DLG appears to be nearly at it's stall speed when rudder deflection is added. Hence from a

RE: [RCSE] re: Rudder Stalls and Turns

2006-08-02 Thread Mark Drela
When a rudder stalls due to AoA deflection, what would a pilot see? Is there less rudder response? I'm not sure what the original poster (Jay Hunter) meant by rudder stall. It was either 1) deflecting the rudder causes the glider to stall, or 2) the rudder itself stalls. Effect 1) can

Re: Re: [RCSE] Re: Rudder Stalls and turns.

2006-08-01 Thread clarence
well. Good Luck, Chris Adams LSF 348 LvL 5 (#8) Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Re: Rudder Stalls and turns. From: Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, July 31, 2006 9:20 am To: RCSE soaring

[RCSE] re: Rudder Stalls and Turns

2006-08-01 Thread Blaine Beron-Rawdon
This note is to add one point to the discussion on rudder-elevator flying. There is a tendency for R/E models to pitch up when a turn is initiated due to gyroscopic precession. The rudder initiates a yaw rate, giving a yaw angle. This angle couples with the wing's dihedral angle to

Re: [RCSE] re: Rudder Stalls and Turns

2006-08-01 Thread tony estep
From: Blaine Beron-Rawdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a tendency for R/E models to pitch up when a turn is initiated due to gyroscopic precession... = Would it do any good to rake the rudder hinge line forward to counteract this? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model

[RCSE] Re: Rudder Stalls and turns.

2006-07-31 Thread Jay Hunter
Rudder stalls this is where I found the concept. In the building instructions of the photon II there is mention of having too much deflection, and having too much deflection may 'stall the rudder'. http://www.netmeister.net/%7Ejerry/bldgp2.htm Look in the cg section of the instructions. The

RE: [RCSE] Re: Rudder Stalls and turns.

2006-07-31 Thread chris
Hi Jay, I have been flying my Photon 1 in the IHLGF for 4 years. I have a Watson tailgroup on it (Spyderfoam/FG) which is close to the type the Photon II has. I use alot of rudder throwand use the rudder for tight thermals, as well as using it for drag breaking and stalling. You have to use the

Re: [RCSE] Re: Rudder Stalls and turns.

2006-07-31 Thread Jay Hunter
Chris, That is VERY enlightening. I had just discovered I needed my elevator in my turns once I have the ship banked. I think I am going to return my rudder to my right stick. It will make flying it easier. And when I fly the aileron ships I will move it to the left side. Thanks again.. jayOn

[RCSE] Re: Rudder Stalls and turns.

2006-07-30 Thread Jay Hunter
Ok, I have received a few answers, I want to thank everyone for the answers... Amazing all this time and I have never understood how the rudder is supposed to work Thanks again...On 7/28/06, Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to figure out if my rudder turns are accurate. I