Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-03 Thread Simon Byrnand
At 14:20 2/09/2003 +0200, Carlo Wood wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 01:02:47PM +1200, Simon Byrnand wrote: > Well don't forget that the auto_learn_spam threshold is 15 in 2.55 and 12 > in 2.60, and its very rare that a spam pasted into the *body* of a message > will be autolearnt, simply because mo

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-02 Thread Carlo Wood
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 06:31:35PM +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > Don't use auto-learning, really. Then I'll have to bounce back all other mail from my working machine to the firewall. > > So, I moved the filters to my firewall > which firewall rules do you use to reject spam? ? I mean: I starte

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-02 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Carlo Wood wrote on Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:20:07 +0200: > Anyway, there should be a possibility for me to make sure > that certain mails are not auto-learned at all - independant of > their score. > Don't use auto-learning, really. > So, I moved the filters to my firewall > which firewall rules do

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-02 Thread Carlo Wood
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 01:02:47PM +1200, Simon Byrnand wrote: > Well don't forget that the auto_learn_spam threshold is 15 in 2.55 and 12 > in 2.60, and its very rare that a spam pasted into the *body* of a message > will be autolearnt, simply because most high scoring spams get most of > their

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-02 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Simon Byrnand wrote on Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:56:54 +1200: > Likewise if a message scored -5 before whitelisting and -105 total, then it > WOULD be learnt as ham, because its pre-whitelist score was hammy. Make sense ? > I think we discussed this some months ago here, don't remember the outcome, bu

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-02 Thread Simon Byrnand
At 06:02 2/09/2003 +0100, Justin Mason wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 01:02:47PM +1200, Simon Byrnand wrote: > At 02:24 2/09/2003 +0200, Carlo Wood wrote: > >On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 09:56:54AM +1200, Simon Byrnand wrote: > I don't whitelist this mailing list and I know at least one of the > develop

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-02 Thread Justin Mason
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 01:02:47PM +1200, Simon Byrnand wrote: > At 02:24 2/09/2003 +0200, Carlo Wood wrote: > >On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 09:56:54AM +1200, Simon Byrnand wrote: > I don't whitelist this mailing list and I know at least one of the > developers (Justin) doesn't either and I don't have

RE: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Meunier
t: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:25 PM > To: Simon Byrnand > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting > [ ] > > Take for example this mailinglist, this very mail, it is full of words > like "whitelist", "SpamAssassin", "au

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-02 Thread Simon Byrnand
At 02:24 2/09/2003 +0200, Carlo Wood wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 09:56:54AM +1200, Simon Byrnand wrote: > On the other hand, there is nothing to stop the message being autolearnt if > its score before the whitelisting value is added, so for example if a spam > would normally score 20 and be aut

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-02 Thread Carlo Wood
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 09:56:54AM +1200, Simon Byrnand wrote: > On the other hand, there is nothing to stop the message being autolearnt if > its score before the whitelisting value is added, so for example if a spam > would normally score 20 and be autolearnt, and you for some reason > whiteli

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-01 Thread Simon Byrnand
At 17:50 1/09/2003 +0200, Carlo Wood wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 04:31:34PM +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > > whitelisted mails should not be auto learned. > > That is just what Simon said and SA does. Oh... sorry. He said S> Please check the docs, Bayes auto_learn does not take notice of S> whit

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-01 Thread Carlo Wood
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 04:31:34PM +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > > whitelisted mails should not be auto learned. > > That is just what Simon said and SA does. Oh... sorry. He said S> Please check the docs, Bayes auto_learn does not take notice of S> whitelisting: (from man Mail::SpamAssassin::C

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-01 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Carlo Wood wrote on Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:47:56 +0200: > whitelisted mails should not be auto learned. > That is just what Simon said and SA does. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.win

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-01 Thread Carlo Wood
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 02:53:36PM +1200, Simon Byrnand wrote: > Please check the docs, Bayes auto_learn does not take notice of > whitelisting: (from man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf) Well, actually I saw that, but I couldn't believe it :) whitelisted mails should not be auto learned. If the develo

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes and whitelisting

2003-09-01 Thread Simon Byrnand
At 02:14 1/09/2003 +0200, Carlo Wood wrote: Hi all, it is not clear to me how SA handles white listing. Normally, one does not want to use a white-listed mail to update the Bayes classifier because once white-listed the mail could contain ANYTHING. However, it appears that the whitelisting only s