Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-21 Thread Jérémy JUST
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:23:44 -0600 Kang , Joseph S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The HABEAS_VIOLATOR test is nice for those sites that also have SA do network tests. MINE DOESN'T. For next runs of GA, maybe HABEAS rules should have four scores. So we could have something like: score HABEAS_SWE

Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Michael Satterwhite
On Monday 19 January 2004 23:06, David A. Carter wrote: Before turning off Habeas (or even worse, giving it a positive score), please take time to read this thread, particularly Bob Proulx's response. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spamassassin.general/38623 I'd read that thread

RE: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Darren Coleman
- I have little alternative but to zero their HABEAS_SWE score. Daz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Satterwhite Sent: 20 January 2004 11:25 To: David A. Carter; Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas? On Monday 19

RE: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Alan Munday
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Satterwhite Sent: 20 January 2004 11:25 To: David A. Carter; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas? On Monday 19 January 2004 23:06, David A. Carter wrote: Before turning off Habeas (or even worse, giving it a positive

Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Douglas Kirkland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 20 January 2004 07:45, Alan Munday wrote: Does this not boil down to the globally effective legal footprint for Habeas? That is if you are a spammer and originate from outside this footprint you won't have any problems abusing the

RE: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Terry Shows
will follow suite and turn this rule off too. Terry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Douglas Kirkland Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE

Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Scott Lambert
On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 10:43:05AM -0600, Terry Shows wrote: FYI: I checked my SPAM Rejection log, and found two occurrences this morning where a spammer put the Hebeas headers in the email, but it was classified as SPAM anyway (scores of 30+ each). This appears to confirm that spammers

RE: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Kang , Joseph S.
Don't do that! You'll miss out on the HABEAS_VIOLATOR rule. Set it to -0.001 if you want, but don't kill it off. HABEAS_VIOLATOR is good for +16. A lot of people on this list need to calm down and stop over-reacting. The HABEAS_VIOLATOR test is nice for those sites that also have SA

RE: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Terry Shows
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas? On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 10:43:05AM -0600, Terry Shows wrote: FYI: I checked my SPAM Rejection

Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Scott Lambert
On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 02:44:32PM -0600, Terry Shows wrote: Maybe it is good for -16, but in every case I looked at that passed thought with habeas set, none of them set the violator, and every single one was flagrantly spam. +16 not -16 just so people reading the archives don't get the wrong

RE: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread David B Funk
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Terry Shows wrote: Maybe it is good for -16, but in every case I looked at that passed thought with habeas set, none of them set the violator, and every single one was flagrantly spam. [snip..] The way it is now, it is just another header that can be added by a spammer,

Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Sidney Markowitz
Scott Lambert wrote: Your idea turns the HABEAS_SWE test into a network test. Actually it _is_ a network test: It relies on legal means to shut down violators and the HIL to block ip addresses whose use of the Habeas headers can't be or has not yet been stopped by legal means. Instead of

RE: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Kang , Joseph S.
It has been almost 24 hours since I received the last spam with Habeas headers. Possibly my ISP has added a filter to block the pharmacourt.biz spam before I see it ... Has anybody else noticed that their spam has stopped in the past day? I thought I had noticed the same but wasn't

Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Kelson Vibber
At 02:39 PM 1/20/2004, Sidney Markowitz wrote: Has anybody else noticed that their spam has stopped in the past day? Yep. the last one I saw was around 3am - 12 hours ago. Last week I was getting 100-150 daily. I just routed them into their own folder, and once a day I'd mail off a couple of

Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-20 Thread Douglas Kirkland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 20 January 2004 14:29, David B Funk wrote: One quick rule hack that has worked wonders for me for this issue: uri L_FAKE_MED_SITE

Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-19 Thread Matt Yackley
Hi, There is a feature called habeas that gives spam a negative weight. It is apparently a mark that certifies that e-mail is not spam. It does not work and all the spam I am getting now is because of that mark. I can't imagine I would be missing anything if I just disabled this.

Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-19 Thread Michael Satterwhite
On Monday 19 January 2004 19:56, Matt Yackley wrote: Don, The default tests and scores can be found in /usr/share/spamassassin Search Google or the archives for a *lot* of talk about the HABEAS_SWE test and the recent problems. People like Theo use the Habeas mark in their messages, so

Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-19 Thread Steve Thomas
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 09:01:36PM -0600, Michael Satterwhite is rumored to have said: You'd have to agree that a message with the headers is more likely spam than not ... right now. ...unless you converse with me via e-mail with any regularity... Have you actually checked to see how many

Re: [SAtalk] Turning off Habeas?

2004-01-19 Thread David A. Carter
Quoting Michael Satterwhite [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I know what habeas is *SUPPOSED* to do, but right now it really isn't working. and Personally, I've set its scoring to zero, but I do understand those that are giving it a positive score. You'd have to agree that a message with the