Re: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Schuberth, Sebastian wrote: > when debugging an issue in the spdx-tools verifier, I noticed the SPDX 2.0 > specs seem to be inconsistent on whether "+" is a valid character in a > LicenseRef's idstring, like in LicenseRef-[idstring]. I not see any reason why a +

RE: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Wheeler, David A
Schuberth, Sebastian wrote: > Using a + is a whart. Licenses that allow the use of other versions do so > explicitly in their texts, the GPL being the most prominent but the EPL comes > to mind too. So there is no such thing as GPL-2.0 or another version: these > are the plain default GPL ter

RE: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Gary O'Neall
ject: Re: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring? > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Schuberth, Sebastian > wrote: > > > when debugging an issue in the spdx-tools verifier, I noticed the > SPDX > > 2.0 specs seem to be inconsistent on whether "

Re: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Wheeler, David A wrote: >On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Philippe Ombredanne >wrote: David: > Schuberth, Sebastian wrote: I think you are misquoted my reply for being from Sebastian. > The issue is how the software is licensed, not what the text of the GPL > (

RE: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Tom Incorvia
ay, November 02, 2015 1:10 PM To: Wheeler, David A Cc: spdx-t...@lists.spdx.org; SPDX-legal Subject: Re: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring? On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Wheeler, David A wrote: >On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Philippe Ombredanne >wrote: David

Re: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Schuberth, Sebastian wrote: >>> when debugging an issue in the spdx-tools verifier, I noticed the >>> SPDX 2.0 specs seem to be inconsistent on whether "+" is a >>> valid character in a LicenseRef's idstring, like in LicenseRef-[idstring]. > I wrote: >> I not s

RE: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Wheeler, David A
Philippe Ombredanne: > This + is a suffix and not a freestanding character, right? > Then again we would be better off to get rid of the plus entirely! You may be confusing a SPDX "license identifier" and a SPDX "license expression". It's a subtle point. The purpose of a "license identifier" is

RE: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Wheeler, David A
I said: > In particular, "GPL-2.0" is a license identifier, and "GPL-2.0+" is *NOT*. Just a few nitpicks on my previous email: * I realize that "GPL-2.0+" is in the list of "deprecated" license identifiers, so in some sense there is a "GPL-2.0+" license identifier. But I think it's clear what

RE: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Gary O'Neall
Hi Philippe, > This + is a suffix and not a freestanding character, right? > So "GPL-2.0+" is valid but "GPL-2.0+" would not be valid? [Gary] [Gary] My interpretation of the spec "GPL-2.0+" and "GPL-2.0+" are both syntactically valid (as well as MIT+, LicenseRef-21+ and any other listed

RE: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Gary O'Neall
age- > From: Wheeler, David A [mailto:dwhee...@ida.org] > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 12:12 PM > To: Philippe Ombredanne; Gary O'Neall > Cc: spdx-t...@lists.spdx.org; SPDX-legal > Subject: RE: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring? > > Philippe Ombre

Re: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Tom Incorvia wrote: > So we're all on the same page in this discussion: are you are > referring to this section of the GPL-2.0 license: > > == > Each version is given a distinguishing version number. If the Program > specifies a version number o

Re: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Gary O'Neall wrote: >> This + is a suffix and not a freestanding character, right? >> So "GPL-2.0+" is valid but "GPL-2.0+" would not be valid? > My interpretation of the spec "GPL-2.0+" and "GPL-2.0+" are both > syntactically > valid (as well as MIT+, Li

Re: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Wheeler, David A wrote: > Philippe Ombredanne: >> This + is a suffix and not a freestanding character, right? >> Then again we would be better off to get rid of the plus entirely! > You may be confusing a SPDX "license identifier" and a SPDX "license > expression".

RE: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-02 Thread Wheeler, David A
Philippe Ombredanne: > I am not confusing these at all. The gist of what I am saying is that the > plus is a legacy that should not be there. It does not make sense to add to > the large majority of GPL in the wild a + just to deal with a few exceptions > that do not allow other versions. Except

Re: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-03 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:45 AM, Wheeler, David A wrote: > Philippe Ombredanne wrote: [...] >> You say: >> GPL-2.0 ==> implies GPL 2.0 only >> GPL-2.0+ ==> implies GPL 2.0 or later > That's not just what I say. That's what the spec says, and has > clearly stated since circa 2010. > This would ha

RE: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-03 Thread Wheeler, David A
Philippe Ombredanne: > The focus is not only on the GPL: well over 25% of the SPDX licenses DO HAVE > a "this or later version" clause > In the grand scheme of things, "only" and "or later" are minute > technicalities that the large majority of software users do not care for. The > licenses

Re: Is "+" a valid character of a LicenseRef idstring?

2015-11-03 Thread Kate Stewart
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Wheeler, David A wrote: > Philippe Ombredanne: > > > But SPDX is likely stuck with this inconsistent legacy and yes this is > hard to escape without creating more mess. It does not mean that we cannot > try to clarify and improve things. > > Sure, but I think "GPL-