[spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-15 Thread Geert Lovink
Theory on Demand #44 Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflections and Responses edited by Maria van der Togt and 1 &23%#719 This publication marks the first results of the Tactical Media Room Ukraine project, launched in February 2022 in Amsterdam after the shocking Russian full-scal

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-15 Thread heath bunting
geert who are the funders of this project (any non-aligned countries) ? are ukrainian citizens (not 'shocked' but liberated) from the donbas region including in this project ? is this publication available to russian speaking ukrainian citizens or is the russian language banned in his publica

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-15 Thread ‪xname
Very good questions!! Sent from the street http://xname.cc Original message From: heath bunting Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022, 3:21 pmTo: Geert Lovink Cc: spectre Subject: Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responsesgeertwho are the funders of this proj

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-15 Thread Geert Lovink
sounds a bit like a criminal investigation, heath. of a bad or lazy detective, in this case. you could have found out the answers yourself. > who are the funders of this project (any non-aligned countries) ? since 2004 our INC is part of the Amsterdam University of Applied Science, a polytech,

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-15 Thread heath bunting
geert sounds a bit like a criminal investigation, heath. any honest interest in the war in ukraine will sound like a criminal investigation as imperialism is a supreme crime against humanity of a bad or lazy detective, in this case. i am assuming from your project you are trying to keep

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-16 Thread jg
I am curious, how is your command of russian, Heath - are you able to read medium-complex russian text without a computer translation, or follow a conversation (or TV interview,discussion) in russian - referring to your declared "honest interest in the war in ukraine"? J. On 16/07/2022 09:25

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-16 Thread heath bunting
geert supporting Ukrainian media and confronting Russian state propaganda. these aims appear to be very aligned to imperial interests what do you mean by ukrainian media ? state/ corporate or grass roots ? why is it important to confront russian state propaganda ? who is at risk of this mes

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-16 Thread jg
Most of your questions about importance of fighting russian state propaganda can be answered by these expert resources: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/08/meduza-is-granting-open-access-to-all-content-about-the-war-in-ukraine-under-a-creative-commons-license https://meduza.io/en/feature/2

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-16 Thread heath bunting
jaanis I am curious, how is your command of russian, Heath - fortunately, i speak the language of the imperium fluently and live within a core imperial nation state, so have direct daily experience of super-state crimes against humanity i am not subjected to state blacklisting for work and so

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-16 Thread heath bunting
jaanis thanks for links - will take a look - not hopeful for making good decision on these though, as it takes years of careful scrutiny to determine whether sources are reliable and not mouthpieces for in-tell agencies why does russian state propaganda matter to grass roots activists ? i wou

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-17 Thread Rasa Smite
heath I am sorry, but your messages don't make any sense, they are full of "jumbled thoughts", or may be my English is not sophisticated enough but I don't get your point, may I make it bit more clear here - that since the Feb 24, 2022 (war in Ukraine started) there are basically only two s

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-17 Thread christoph theiler
Without the Americans there will be no peace in Ukraine. It may be that the Russian administration lies, you can hardly trust them etc., but the American administration is not lying, it refuses to speak to the Russians since Obama. Obama also managed to humiliate the Russians as a "provincial s

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-17 Thread heath bunting
rasa i think its worth drawing a distinction between the soviet union and the russian federation both politically and historically i understand that living next to russia after years of occupation by the soviet union is very different to living in the uk i don't believe russia has any inten

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-17 Thread christoph theiler
Is Ukraine the Ukrainian population?If Ukraine (or the Ukrainian population) wants to continue fighting, I am the last to comment on it. They will pay a blood roll of around 100-200 deaths a day. And that over the next 1-2 years. With or without weapons from the West. I don't think the war can

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-17 Thread info
El 2022-07-17 11:30, i...@madatac.es escribió: Bravo Rasa, Perfectly expressed the real face and objectives of Ruscism. Russia, the greatest terrorist country of this world, accuses Ukraine of an "act of terrorism" after their destruction of a Russian ammunition depot in Nova Kakhovka... bu

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-17 Thread xname
Dear Rasa, Thanks for sharing, and I send you all blessings from London. The way I read Heats' questions is different, as imho it is always good to know who is funding a project and whether those involved as somewhat "objects" of the publication have the tools (ie can read the story) to parti

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-17 Thread xname
Hello Ryszard, Thanks for your email, and for sharing your view and experience. I'd clarify here: my childhood desire was towards the unknown, that which was not described, as no one was telling us what was really going on in Russia, all we had was the fake American dream (which included the

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-17 Thread Rasa Smite
Hello Eleonore wrote: "My anecdote was in response to Rasa, to highlight that there are multiple perspectives and modalities for cultural appropriation (and rejection)". With this war, we have landed in the situation, where its not anymore that easy to play with "multiple perspectives and mo

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-18 Thread christoph theiler
Rasa wrote: "In this situation there are only clear two sides - Either Supporting Ukraine or Being Pro -Tutin" I cannot agree with this friend/enemy logic: "If you are not my friend, then you are my enemy". It has already been said here that in addition to Ukraine and Russia, America also play

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-18 Thread Hanns Holger Rutz
Frankly Christoph, I don't think you have absorbed anything that had been written in that very long statement. The whole situation reminds me very much of the coup in Venezuela when Maduro took over after the death of Chavez. Exactly the same "there is only shades of gray, but Chomsky, but Ame

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-18 Thread Raivo Kelomees
On 17/07/2022 15:35, heath bunting wrote: i think its worth drawing a distinction between the soviet union and the russian federation both politically and historically I think there is no distinction between Russia now and Soviet Union, both are imperialist countries. Even worse: Soviet Uni

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-18 Thread heath bunting
i understand baltic nation states caution with the russian federation, but the rest of the world is afraid of the USAE 4 million civilians dead since 9/11 https://www.workers.org/2021/10/59727/ estimated civilian deaths as a result of NATO non-defensive actions since formation - 20 million It

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-18 Thread xname
Dear Rasa, It seems there are a lot emotions and frustration and the attitude to see things in binomial opposition is making you interpret anything I say as if when I was 8 years old I was a dumb kid brainwashed by the Soviet Union. The conversation here is not constructive as there is no

Re: [spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

2022-07-18 Thread christoph theiler
Hans Holger Rutz, I have seriously read Rasa's article.  In Latvia, the BIB growth from 2005-2018 (with the exception of 2008-2010) was always higher than the EU average, often up to 400%. (Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lettland#wirtschaftsdaten). This is a very large difference betwee