Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Question about SRv6 Insert function)

2019-09-04 Thread Ron Bonica
Fernando, Zhenqiang, You both have valid points. Maybe I am becoming too tolerant of deviations from the specification. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: li zhenqiang Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019

Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Question about SRv6 Insert function)

2019-09-04 Thread li zhenqiang
Hello all, I don't think we can infer from RFC 8200 that something is mandated and something is strongly suggested. If guys with different interests can infer from an "Internet Standard" what they are interested, the standard is ambiguous and deserves a bis. If the standard is clear, we MUST

Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Question about SRv6 Insert function)

2019-09-04 Thread Fernando Gont
On 4/9/19 21:27, Ron Bonica wrote: > Ole, > > Yes, a deep breath and some introspection are always a good thing. > > First, I think that we need to make a distinction between the "spirit" and > "letter" of the law. Next, we need to make a statement regarding good > engineering practice. > >

Re: [spring] Question about SRv6 Insert function

2019-09-04 Thread Fernando Gont
On 4/9/19 09:58, Ole Troan wrote: > Fernando, > Since there have been plenty of attempts to do EH insertion or leave the IPv6 standard ambiguous in this respect, and the IETF has had consensus that EH insertion is not allowed, I think it would be bad, wastefull, tricky, and

[spring] Questions about draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networking-programming and draft-filsfils-spring-net-pgm-extension-srv6-usid

2019-09-04 Thread Andrew Alston
Hi All, The following things in the drafts referenced in the subject line are questions that I feel need to be addressed - since having gone through these drafts closely in light of some of the comments on the spring list and cross referenced and checked a number of things - there are a number

Re: [spring] Beyond SRv6.

2019-09-04 Thread Reji Thomas
Hi WG Folks, Its not clear on why the SRv6 has to alter the address semantics and push the service functions into v6 address space. Maybe rationale on why this was done would help to appreciate why this path was chosen. >From my understanding the SRv6+ spec shows these defined service functions

[spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Question about SRv6 Insert function)

2019-09-04 Thread Ron Bonica
Ole, Yes, a deep breath and some introspection are always a good thing. First, I think that we need to make a distinction between the "spirit" and "letter" of the law. Next, we need to make a statement regarding good engineering practice. RFC 8200 mandates some things. For example, In an IPv6

Re: [spring] Binding SID in SRv6/SRv6 (was: Beyond SRv6)

2019-09-04 Thread Alexander Vainshtein
Ketan, Apologies. Probably looked up a wrong version of the draft. However, the question about compliance with RFC 8200 remains open IMHO. Regards, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [spring] Binding SID in SRv6/SRv6 (was: Beyond SRv6)

2019-09-04 Thread Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Hi Sasha, My references were correct : https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-01#section-4.13 The section also refers to the individual draft in 6man (I-D.voyer-6man-extension-header-insertion) which covers the insertion. You may also want to refer to this

Re: [spring] Binding SID in SRv6/SRv6 (was: Beyond SRv6)

2019-09-04 Thread Alexander Vainshtein
Ketan, Lots of thanks for a prompt response. It seems that the sections in the draft should be 4.9 (Insert) and 4.11 (encap) and not as in the email. With regard to the Insert use case, the pseudocode in the draft suggest insertion of an additional SRH between the IPv6 header and the SRH in

Re: [spring] Binding SID in SRv6/SRv6 (was: Beyond SRv6)

2019-09-04 Thread Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Hi Sasha, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-01 covers the pseudocode BSID for SRv6. Please refer to section 4.13-16 which describe both the insert and encap versions. Thanks, Ketan From: spring On Behalf Of Alexander Vainshtein Sent: 04 September 2019

[spring] Binding SID in SRv6/SRv6 (was: Beyond SRv6)

2019-09-04 Thread Alexander Vainshtein
Rob, Bruno and all, I have a naive question based, most probably, on insufficient understanding of SRv6 (not to mention SRv6+). This question has been prompted by the complaints (on the Beyond SRv6 thread) about problems with supporting long lists of 128-bits of SIDs in the IPv6 Segment Routing

Re: [spring] Question about SRv6 Insert function

2019-09-04 Thread Ole Troan
Fernando, >>> Since there have been plenty of attempts to do EH insertion or >>> leave the IPv6 standard ambiguous in this respect, and the IETF has >>> had consensus that EH insertion is not allowed, I think it would be >>> bad, wastefull, tricky, and even dangerous to let a document go >>>