RE: CPVC and Nail plates

2010-02-16 Thread Dave Phelan
I do vaguely recall this a few months ago on the forum and forget what we came up with, so here's just my thoughts before breakfast ... The standards do not specifically call out a requirement for nail plate or protection of piping. However, depending on which codes are in effect at the location

RE: CPVC and Nail plates

2010-02-16 Thread Dewayne Martinez
Thanks Chris and everybody, this is the information I was looking for. Dewayne -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:05 PM To:

RE: CPVC and Nail plates

2010-02-16 Thread Eric Tysinger
We feel regardless of code, it is well worth the added protection. While it my not stop a nail gun it will stop the random drywall screw and finishing nails. Thanks, Eric Tysinger CET NICET 108988 Designer Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc. 4370 Motorsport Drive Concord, NC 28027 p:

Re: CPVC and Nail plates

2010-02-16 Thread Daniel Merkle
It will usually stop a drywall screw, until the drywall guy decides that he absolutely needs a screw right there and uses a self taping screw. (This just happened to us a couple of months ago.) Daniel L. Merkle, CET NICET # 118915 Automatic Sprinkler System Layout, Level III COLONIAL Fire

2 Buildings with 1 AS Riser

2010-02-16 Thread Haji, Jaber M
Has any one come accrose 2 adajent buildings with one sprinkler riser ? Is it allowed by NFPA 13 ? Your comments are highly appreciated. The contents of this email, including all related responses, files and attachments transmitted with it (collectively referred to as this Email), are

RE: 2 Buildings with 1 AS Riser

2010-02-16 Thread Richard Carr
It is allowed with some restrictions in 2007 NFPA 13, 8.2.4. Richard Carr, SET Design Manager Associated Sprinkler Co., LLC 336.373.3901 ext 217 richa...@associatedsprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

Re: Accidental Fusing

2010-02-16 Thread Roland Huggins
The air flow over the surface impacts how quickly the link or car heats up but not how hot it gets since that is a function of the exposing temperature. We could dug up the old heat transfer equation for convection but I don't think many really want to go that far. Naturally there is an

RE: Accidental Fusing

2010-02-16 Thread Dan Wilder
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4738314.html As taken from the literature It has been found that fusible link elements which are used to support loads in various devices and in particular in automatic fire fighting equipment encounter load and stress variations due to changes in temperature,

air compressor wiring

2010-02-16 Thread Greg McGahan
Does an air compressor for a pre-action system have to be wired on a dedicated circuit? The release panel? Thanks, Greg ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org

RE: air compressor wiring

2010-02-16 Thread Forest Wilson
It's a good idea if you need to service the compressor, but I don't think it's required in NFPA 13. Maybe in the elec. Code. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Tuesday,

RE: 2 Buildings with 1 AS Riser

2010-02-16 Thread Jim Johnston
I did this a couple of years ago by direction of the AHJ - I didn't agree with it but it saved the building owner a lead in and a double check assembly. The project was an old college campus with two buildings consisting of a total floor area less than 52,000 square feet, building A had the main

RE: 2 Buildings with 1 AS Riser

2010-02-16 Thread Bob Caputo
Haji, NFPA 13 does allow adjacent buildings to be served by a single riser but the conditions are limited. The intent of the committee at the time this proposal was accepted was to allow a cost effective means to get fire protection to auxiliary buildings (like schools) or out buildings

solid unit load?

2010-02-16 Thread Todd Williams
In note 2 on table 12.2.3.1.6 (2002 - 13), they reference nonexpanded, stable, solid unit load. What is meant by solid unit load? Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, Connecticut www.fpdc.com 860.535.2080 ___

Ordinary risk sprinklers ?

2010-02-16 Thread Cesar Villavicencio
Dear Forum Members, I apologise for my ignorance on the subject in reference but I do have two questions regarding the use of sprinklers that I am supposed to use for an area classifies as ordinary risk II: 1. Could I use sprinklers recommended for LIGHT HAZARDS in areas classified as

RE: solid unit load?

2010-02-16 Thread Mike Hairfield
NFPA-13-2007 paragraph 3.9.2.7 I believe Mike Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:45:20 -0500 To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org From: t...@fpdc.com Subject: solid unit load? In note 2 on table 12.2.3.1.6 (2002 - 13), they reference nonexpanded, stable, solid unit load. What is meant by

Re: Ordinary risk sprinklers ?

2010-02-16 Thread Todd Williams
Cesar, You will have to go by the listing for the sprinkler. If it is specifically listed for Light Hazard only, you can't use it for OH. If it is listed for use in NFPA 13 occupancies, it could be used in Light or Ordinary. The Tyco RFII can be used in on OH occupancy, such as a retail

RE: air compressor wiring

2010-02-16 Thread Craig.Prahl
Release panel is to be on a dedicated branch circuit per NFPA 72, 4.4.1.4 (2007), se also NFPA 70, 760.41 760.121. Compressors, couldn't find anything specific in Electrical code or 13. Just make sure there's a low pressure alarm (NFPA 13, 7.9.2.2) incase the compressor is shut off or fails.

RE: solid unit load?

2010-02-16 Thread Todd Williams
Missed that page. Thanks At 11:59 AM 2/16/2010, you wrote: NFPA-13-2007 paragraph 3.9.2.7 I believe Mike Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:45:20 -0500 To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org From: t...@fpdc.com Subject: solid unit load? In note 2 on table 12.2.3.1.6 (2002 - 13), they

Re: Ordinary risk sprinklers ?

2010-02-16 Thread Cesar Villavicencio
Dear Todd, Thanks for the quick reply. Yes, you are right about where I am going to, I am planning to use Extended Coverage Sprinklers - concealed type. What should I do? Rgds, Cesar Villavicencio - Original Message From: Todd Williams t...@fpdc.com To:

Re: Ordinary risk sprinklers ?

2010-02-16 Thread Ron Greenman
Either go to standard spacing or semi-recessed heads. Sent from my iPhone Ron Greenman ...On the phone On Feb 16, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Cesar Villavicencio cesarv...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Todd, Thanks for the quick reply. Yes, you are right about where I am going to, I am planning to use

Re: Accidental Fusing

2010-02-16 Thread Byron Blake
The carburetor of my Cessna 172 Skyhawk can accumulate ice at ambient temperatures up to around 70 Deg F. There is a pressure drop in the throat as a result of the venturi effect. This is why mounting main drain pressure gauges on the 2 main drain itself will produce an inaccurate residual