Re: CBC / CFC vs NFPA 13

2019-07-24 Thread Ron Greenman
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CBC / CFC vs NFPA 13

2019-07-24 Thread å . . . . . . .
On 19 January this year, there was a similar thread regarding precedence of design guides: General agreement was: 1. the AHJ is alpha authority on judging design guidance, though not always the most accurate authority, 2. Not discussed on 19 January, but generally agreed to anyway, is that the con

Re: CBC / CFC vs NFPA 13

2019-07-24 Thread Parsley Consulting
Indeed, Steve. One other which has landed with a thud on my desk more than a few times is the prohibition for any mechanical fittings (flanged, welded, mechanical joint) to be installed under a foundation.  When the pipe is to transition above grade through the foundation most designs make use

RE: CBC / CFC vs NFPA 13

2019-07-24 Thread Matthew J Willis
Florida would be the AHJ this case... Matthew J. Willis, CWBSP Design Manager /3-D Specialist Rapid Fire Protection Inc. 1530 Samco Road Rapid City, SD 57702 Office-605.348.2342 Direct Line-605.593.5063 Cell-605.391.2733 Fax:-605.348.0108 [cid:image001.png@01D159E8.1A3A2

Re: CBC / CFC vs NFPA 13

2019-07-24 Thread Steve Leyton
another example in California is in Chapter 5 with regard to the height of Type 5 buildings. We require an upgrade to NFPA 13 to get a four-story Type 5 R2 occupancy where other states will let you use 13R. Steve Leyton (Sent from my phone; please excuse typos and voice text corruptions.)

Re: CBC / CFC vs NFPA 13

2019-07-24 Thread John Irwin
Not in Florida. Florida Fire Prevention Code > Local AHJ It's a wonderful thing to have a state fire code that the local dum dums can't walk all over. John Irwin West Coast Branch Manager Quick Response Fire Protection 727-282-9243 Typed on tiny keys, just for you. Please forgive spelling erro

RE: CBC / CFC vs NFPA 13

2019-07-24 Thread Matthew J Willis
AHJ supersedes all.. Matthew J. Willis, CWBSP Design Manager /3-D Specialist Rapid Fire Protection Inc. 1530 Samco Road Rapid City, SD 57702 Office-605.348.2342 Direct Line-605.593.5063 Cell-605.391.2733 Fax:-605.348.0108 [cid:image001.png@01D159E8.1A3A2D00] From: Sprin

Re: CBC / CFC vs NFPA 13

2019-07-24 Thread Parsley Consulting
It's not a silly question, Jerry, from my perspective at least. There are any number of modifications to NFPA 13 which are state law in California.  Chapter 80 of the /California Fire Code/ identifies what standards have been adopted into law in what disciplines, and contains the modifications

RE: CBC / CFC vs NFPA 13

2019-07-24 Thread Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G
Codes supersede standards Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107 tm...@mfpdesign.com www.mfpdesign.com Send large files to us via:

CBC / CFC vs NFPA 13

2019-07-24 Thread jvankolken
Maybe a silly question, but state code would supersede NFPA ? Jerry Van Kolken Millennium Fire Protection Corp. 2950 San Luis Rey Rd. Oceanside, CA 92058 (760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprin

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stand pipe Risers for sprinklers on floors

2019-07-24 Thread Kyle . Montgomery
I don’t disagree with you, and would almost certainly take the same approach if I were the installing contractor getting some additional requirement forced upon me at the 11th hour. But… one must wonder why the AHJ would make such a request/requirement if not for some perceived need for redunda

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stand pipe Risers for sprinklers on floors

2019-07-24 Thread Steve Leyton
That mandate is used in some jurisdictions that I’ve worked in where the redundancy is taken along with a doubling of the design area as part of an alternative means and methods exercise to achieve Type IIIA construction type with non-treated lumber, which can get you up to about 7 stories above

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stand pipe Risers for sprinklers on floors

2019-07-24 Thread Kyle . Montgomery
I would say that depends on the reason for requiring this configuration. In my experience, it is typically done to provide a level of redundancy, i.e. keep the sprinkler system(s) in service if one of the standpipes is out of service. In this case, I would suggest that you calculate and size you

Re: Stand pipe Risers for sprinklers on floors

2019-07-24 Thread Steve Leyton
Now required by 6.3.8.3. Steve Leyton (Sent from my phone; please excuse typos and voice text corruptions.) Original message From: Ben Young Date: 7/24/19 6:49 AM (GMT-08:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Stand pipe Risers for sprinklers on floors

Re: Stand pipe Risers for sprinklers on floors

2019-07-24 Thread Ben Young
When we've done this in the past we add signs at each floor control assembly saying that the floor is fed from each end and two valves have to be shut down to isolate the system. Not required just helpful. On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 12:50 AM Steve Leyton wrote: > Phong: > > Welcome to the Forum.