Re: Fire Pump Backflow

2021-08-25 Thread Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum
I never had this problem before, but it looks like a Deringer 20 backflow has lower opening pressures. You may also consider something like several smaller Watts 2000B-FP in parallel, depending on the flows you need. I don't think piping the jockey differently would help, but let me know if you g

Re: Fire Pump Backflow

2021-08-25 Thread Jamie Seidl via Sprinklerforum
What is your site elevation AMSL? Have you tried to operate the pump yet? While we typically don't run pumps below 0 psi, it can be done by figuring in by also accounting for air pressure. While not recommended, as long as you are not cavitating the impeller, the system should work. I had a simil

Re: Fire Pump Backflow

2021-08-25 Thread AKS-Gmail-IMAP via Sprinklerforum
“Not any back flow” is being too loose with terms. Temperature differences alone will circulate water with the tank. Basically you have a fire pump in the domestic water system. All the piping materials and components in the system and connected to the system up to and including the double check

RE: [EXTERNAL] Fire Pump Backflow

2021-08-25 Thread Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum
Does the water tank also provide water to potable systems or is it just dedicated to the fire sprinkler systems? This is the one reason why BFPs are not installed on the suction side of pumps. If it's required, take it out and put it on the discharge side. The question does come to mind in ho

Re: Fire Pump Backflow

2021-08-25 Thread 321 via Sprinklerforum
I agree with the backflows being on the discharge side of the pumps. If you only have 7 PSI flooded suction, there is not going to be any backflow out of the FP System thru the Pump back to the tank anyway. Figure the extra loss in your calculations. I have done this before with shared water sup

Re: Fire Pump Backflow

2021-08-25 Thread Joe Burtell via Sprinklerforum
Yes, we have pottable water being taken from the same tanks. This is a rural high school and this is their own water system that feeds the school. So I need the backflow for that reason. Best regards, *Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS* [image: Burtell Fire_Small] Phone | Fax | Mobile| Text *406-204-4653

RE: Fire Pump Backflow

2021-08-25 Thread cliff--- via Sprinklerforum
Hi Joe, Why would you need the BFP if you have storage tanks? Are there other systems being fed from the same tanks that would necessitate the BFP? Cliff Whitfield, SET President Fire Design, Inc. 940 Summerbrooke Drive Tallahassee, FL 32312 Ph: 828-284-4772 cl...@fire-design.com www.fire-

RE: Fire Pump Backflow

2021-08-25 Thread Mike Morey via Sprinklerforum
Why is the backflow in that particular spot? Are the tanks connected to potable as well? If so you might still be able to get dispensation to put the backflow after the pump if feasible, it's not like anyone's going to accidentally create a backflow condition when there's no outlets with which

Fire Pump Backflow

2021-08-25 Thread Joe Burtell via Sprinklerforum
I have a situation with a verticle in-line fire pump fed from water storage tanks. We have a double check backflow installed between the tanks and the fire pump but we don't have enough pressure to open the backflow on the upstream side between the tank and backflow. I talked with Watts about it. T