RE: NFPA #13 (2013) Exterior Projections 8.15.7

2021-10-06 Thread Jones, William - Fire Plans Examiner/Inspector via Sprinklerforum
The 2016 NFPA 13 handbook states that canopies less than 4' are not required to have sprinklers, regardless of construction type, unless combustibles are stored under them. Projections 2' or more require sprinklers, regardless of construction type, if there are combustibles stored below it. Bi

RE: NFPA #13 (2013) Exterior Projections 8.15.7

2021-10-06 Thread Mike Morey via Sprinklerforum
8.15.7.1 boiled down says projections over 4' have to be sprinklered underneath unless they're the stuff outlined after, non combustible construction, or non-combustible facings with sprinklers inside or 1 of the three exceptions noted. 8.15.7.2 is a standalone, regardless of what you've had to

Re: NFPA #13 (2013) Exterior Projections 8.15.7

2021-10-06 Thread Ken Wagoner via Sprinklerforum
Bill I looked back at the handbook and the standard to make sure I understood the intent. I'm not attempting to split the atom, however I note that the 2' projection described in your post should include the phrase "greater than 2 ft" as identified in §8.17.7.5.  If the projection were exactly

RE: NFPA #13 (2013) Exterior Projections 8.15.7

2021-10-06 Thread Jones, William - Fire Plans Examiner/Inspector via Sprinklerforum
You are correct. Thanks From: Ken Wagoner Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 7:56 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Jones, William - Fire Plans Examiner/Inspector ; James Crawford ; Skyler Bilbo Subject: Re: NFPA #13 (2013) Exterior Projections 8.15.7 Bill I looked back at the

Attic protection over a storage occupancy

2021-10-06 Thread Mike Morey via Sprinklerforum
Applicable code/standards would be IBC 2012 and its references (NFPA 13 2010 mainly) I'm not coming up with a "why not" for this, but it doesn't give me a warm fuzzy. I have a wood framed "pole barn" being used for plastic storage in racks. The building is a standard 4:12 wood truss building w

RE: Attic protection over a storage occupancy

2021-10-06 Thread Art Tiroly via Sprinklerforum
No building size is indicated. Does the building code require protection? Plastic storage may be considered a high hazard. If protection is a code requirement then the attic requires protection. Without protection a fire in the attic will likely cause a total loss of the building and contents. A

RE: Attic protection over a storage occupancy

2021-10-06 Thread Mike Morey via Sprinklerforum
Maybe I wasn't clear, this is an existing unsprinklered building attached to a sprinklered building at a firewall. I presume when constructed it was per code. The intent is to add fire protection at the request of an insurance company. All areas would be protected as stated, my concern is whe

Re: Attic protection over a storage occupancy

2021-10-06 Thread J H via Sprinklerforum
A-okay - Absolutely two different design criteria: attic above is light hazard and your system below is group 'a' plastics storage commodity. I would do it the same way. There's no need to design the attic to the lower area storage density in your case because they're not storing group 'a' plastics

RE: Attic protection over a storage occupancy

2021-10-06 Thread Bob Caputo via Sprinklerforum
NFPA 13, 2019 edition section A.4.3.2(16) lists unused attics as light hazard. That said, it's always better to consider the definition of the hazard as opposed to automatically applying the lists from the annex. Section 4.3.2 defines LH as spaces with low quantity and combustibility of contents.

RE: Attic protection over a storage occupancy

2021-10-06 Thread Scott Futrell via Sprinklerforum
Mike, That is an interesting situation and thought. I would defer to Messer's Hall and Denhardt. For CMDA sprinklers there are requirements in light and ordinary hazard, but I don't see specific reference to combustible roof materials for storage and CMDA. The are limitations for spacing of CMSA s

Re: Attic protection over a storage occupancy

2021-10-06 Thread Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum
There is no requirement to separate occupancy/storage design areas other than the more demanding space has to extend 15 ft when no draft curtain or similar barrier is provided to contain the heat and smoke to one design area. In this case, it would seem that the space above the storage occupancy is