[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP on underground supply

2022-12-14 Thread Travis.Mack
I have just used the # / size of test header valves for a fire pump test to do the forward flow test capacity. I will use (1)2½” hose valve for up to 450 gpm (150% capacity of a 300 gpm pump), (2) 2½” hose valves for up to 750 gpm and (3) 2½” hose valves for up to 1000 gpm. I put these on a va

[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP on underground supply

2022-12-14 Thread Greg McGahan
I am not a fan of blanket answers - but in this case I see 2 simple solutions: If SYSTEM FLOW is the goal: A simple requirement such as 2½" valve for every 250 gpm of system demand if the riser is 2½" or larger, and to match the backflow diameter if smaller than 2½" riser. For instance, 2" drain

[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP on underground supply

2022-12-14 Thread Steve Leyton
If it's serving a sprinkler system only and the main drain cannot flow a high-enough volume to match system demand, then you have to configure a means of testing that will, whether it's on the building or underground. If the building is equipped with a fire pump and/or standpipes, you can chec

[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP on underground supply

2022-12-14 Thread Eric Rieve
You'll probably get some pretty diverse answers depending on how one views the intent behind the provision. The commentary advises using the full diameter of the riser as the outlet size to theoretically allow the test to be performed without needing to measure the flow with a pitot or hose mons

[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP on underground supply

2022-12-14 Thread Dennis Wilson
Sounds like this falls under 16.14.5.1.3* Open 1 for the main drain test, open 2 or more for the backflow test. [cid:image002.jpg@01D90FB9.004B1FB0] From: Hinson, Ryan Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2022 12:16 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Spr

[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP on underground supply

2022-12-14 Thread Hinson, Ryan
NFPA 13 (2022) Section 16.4.5 with ‘enhanced content’ and some new standard language, discourages this practice. How will the requirement of Section 16.14.5.1.1 be achieved without additional calculation?: 16.14.5.1* Backflow Prevention Valves. A test connection shall be provided downstream of

[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP on underground supply

2022-12-14 Thread Dennis Wilson
On backflow testing, NFPA 13 (2019) 16.14.5.1 states the backflow needs to be tested at system demand. I have a hard cover copy, and in it the question was asked, if a 2" main drain would be sufficient, to do the backflow test. After their explanation, they say it basically needs to be the same s