Re: air maintenance device for a pressure vessel

2013-10-15 Thread Joel Chaim
_ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Regards, Joel Chaim Active Fire Protection Inc. Phone: 845-782-7494 Cell: 845-781-3075 Fax: 86

air maintenance device for a pressure vessel

2013-10-14 Thread Joel Chaim
Hi, Anybody here can advise/recommend an air maintenance rated for 150 psi working pressure? ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org

Re: FDC Arrangement

2013-07-11 Thread Joel Chaim
out? > > Thank you, > > Bobby Gillett > Living Water Fire Protection, LLC > (850) 937-1850 > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprink

NFPA 22 2003

2013-05-09 Thread Joel Chaim
We are doing a job that involves a pressure vessel and I came across section 7.1.9.3: The distance between the floor and any part of the tank shall be at least 0.91 M (3ft). We have done many inspections of these vessels and we never saw that there is a 3 ft. clearance between the floor and th

deflector position in combustible concealed space N

2013-04-24 Thread Joel Chaim
What's the deflector position for Distance Below Ceilings. for a roof or ceiling in combustible concealed spaces, consisting of combustible wood joist or wood truss construction with members spaced less than 3 ft. (0.91 m) on center, used with slopes with a pitch at or exceeding 4 in 12, I did

NFPA 2007, Table 8.6.2.2.1(a)

2013-04-22 Thread Joel Chaim
I'm trying to understand the last paragraph of table 8.6.2.2.1 (a), it seems confusing to me, does this mean that we can't exceed 10' parallel to the slope or does this apply to perpendicular and perpendicular has to be between 10' and 8'. The table in 2002 is clearer it state 8x15 @ mini

RE: Saddle type sprinkler head

2013-03-19 Thread Joel Chaim
lf of Fyr Fyter. Mike Morey, SET, CFPS Sprinkler Designer BMW Constructors, Inc. O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111 www.bmwc.com <http://www.bmwc.com/> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org on behalf of Joel Chaim Sent: Mon 3/18/2013

Saddle type sprinkler head

2013-03-18 Thread Joel Chaim
I re-examine the head and I found the letter "QF17132" maybe its 17/32 and that's the orifice opening On the kink I see P/L 3336984 I think my answer might be in the QF17132 any idea what the QF stand for? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <

RE: Saddle type sprinkler head

2013-03-18 Thread Joel Chaim
? Richard L. Mote ET -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:58 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Saddle type sprinkler head And it's not to

RE: Saddle type sprinkler head

2013-03-18 Thread Joel Chaim
forum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Saddle type sprinkler head Joel, Why? It's an obsolete head unless it's in a fur vault. It would be on a scheduled system. Why would you need to calc it? On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Joel Chaim wrote: > We need to do a calculation and I'm trying to

RE: Saddle type sprinkler head

2013-03-18 Thread Joel Chaim
Subject: Re: Saddle type sprinkler head Joel, Why? It's an obsolete head unless it's in a fur vault. It would be on a scheduled system. Why would you need to calc it? On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Joel Chaim wrote: > We need to do a calculation and I'm trying to figure out the k f

Re: Saddle type sprinkler head

2013-03-18 Thread Joel Chaim
on > that. Looks a little like a conventional deflector. Good luck with that one. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 17, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Joel Chaim" > wrote: > > > I'm trying to get information cut sheets on this sprinkler heads but > with > > n

Saddle type sprinkler head

2013-03-17 Thread Joel Chaim
I'm trying to get information cut sheets on this sprinkler heads but with no luck, all I can read out from the head is G-8. See link for picture. https://www.dropbox.com/s/yy05qjm0ib0vgk6/saddle%20type%20sprinkler%20head.j pg.png -- next part -- An HTML attachm

solid shelving flue spacing requirements [NFPA 13 2007]

2012-11-02 Thread Joel Chaim
I'm designing a rack sprinkler system for a multiple row rack with solid shelving and I'm trying to figure the flue spacing requirements, can someone guide me in where to look? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:

RE: NJ windowless Basements N.J.A.C. 5:70-4.7

2012-09-16 Thread Joel Chaim
ler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:18 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: NJ windowless Basements N.J.A.C. 5:70-4.7 Thanks, I read that link that Rich posted it say that a basement 3000² to 10,000² can

RE: NJ windowless Basements N.J.A.C. 5:70-4.7

2012-09-12 Thread Joel Chaim
Thanks, I read that link that Rich posted it say that a basement 3000² to 10,000² can use the domestic water service, is there any hydraulic design requirements for this? Which standard do I have to follow to design this job? The AHJ says that a new fire service is required and needs to be sized

NJ windowless Basements N.J.A.C. 5:70-4.7

2012-09-12 Thread Joel Chaim
Anybody familiar with the NJ windowless basement code? What does the words below the seventh story? N.J.A.C. 5:70-4.7In all buildings, any windowless basement or story located below the seventh story shall be equipped throughout with an automatic fire suppression system installed in acco

Multiple row rack over 16' question [2007 edition table 16.2.1.3.3.2]

2012-09-04 Thread Joel Chaim
Since it’s the first time I’m doing this I would like to double check with the forum if I have it right……… I have a storage area to protect that’s over 16’ deep and 22’ high, 2 shelves and a 5’ aisle. The commodity is a non-encapsulated/class IV, we utilized table 16.2.1.3.3.2 figure 16.2.1.3.2

RE: Multiple row rack question [2007]

2012-08-29 Thread Joel Chaim
ur storage regardless of area. Bob Knight, CET III 208-318-3057 <http://www.firebyknight.com> www.firebyknight.com -Original Message----- From: Joel Chaim <mailto:[mailto:activefireprotect...@gmail.com]> [mailto:activefireprotect...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August

RE: Multiple row rack question [2007]

2012-08-29 Thread Joel Chaim
a for your storage regardless of area. Bob Knight, CET III 208-318-3057 www.firebyknight.com -Original Message----- From: Joel Chaim [mailto:activefireprotect...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:17 AM To: b...@firebyknight.com; sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Mu

RE: Multiple row rack question [2007]

2012-08-29 Thread Joel Chaim
...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:23 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Multiple row rack question [2007] I have a building that has multiple row racks and is less than 12' and we can't use mis

Multiple row rack question [2007]

2012-08-29 Thread Joel Chaim
I have a building that has multiple row racks and is less than 12' and we can't use miscellaneous storage because it exceeds the area, chapter 16 only has scenarios for over 12' can anybody guide me where to look? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:

RE: In-rack sprinkler K-factors

2012-08-28 Thread Joel Chaim
And what about storage lower than 25' I have the same issue I can't find the GPM requirements all I see is that I need to figure 14 sprinkler heads and 15 psi per sprinkler. Our scenario is as follows: Class IV commodity stored on racks deeper than 16' the aisle are 5' and the storage is up to 25'

RE: domestic demand per nfpa 13

2012-05-09 Thread Joel Chaim
orum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 1:42 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: domestic demand per nfpa 13 Where in 13 is that? -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firespri

RE: domestic demand per nfpa 13

2012-05-09 Thread Joel Chaim
are you asking since it is normally not included in the calculations. Roland On May 8, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Joel Chaim wrote: > Is there a table for domestic demand as per NFPA. 13? I only saw it > under NFPA 13 R. > > > > > > -- next part -

RE: domestic demand per nfpa 13

2012-05-09 Thread Joel Chaim
2012, at 8:05 AM, Joel Chaim wrote: > Is there a table for domestic demand as per NFPA. 13? I only saw it > under NFPA 13 R. > > > > > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/m

RE: domestic demand per nfpa 13

2012-05-08 Thread Joel Chaim
ly and Associates 24400 Highland Rd rm 25, CLE 44143 216-621-8899 216-570-7030 Cell WWW.ATCOfirepro.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:40 AM To: sprinkler

RE: domestic demand per nfpa 13

2012-05-08 Thread Joel Chaim
: domestic demand per nfpa 13 You could probably use the plumbing code tables (that's where the 13R stuff comes from) for determining the demand. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Joel Chaim wrote: > I have a job that has a 15000 gallon tank for 72 buildings and they > want to use the existi

RE: domestic demand per nfpa 13

2012-05-08 Thread Joel Chaim
08, 2012 11:15 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: domestic demand per nfpa 13 Why are you asking since it is normally not included in the calculations. Roland On May 8, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Joel Chaim wrote: > Is there a table for domestic demand as per NFPA. 13? I only saw

domestic demand per nfpa 13

2012-05-08 Thread Joel Chaim
Is there a table for domestic demand as per NFPA. 13? I only saw it under NFPA 13 R. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: _

RE: NFPA 13R Attics

2012-04-02 Thread Joel Chaim
hatch or a door doesn't change attic to something else. Heated space on the other hand would make it a living compartment. My opinion is that it is, as described, an attic and no matter how you access it is still exempt from sprinklering. On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Joel Chaim wrote: >

NFPA 13R Attics

2012-04-02 Thread Joel Chaim
We have a job that is classified as a 13R [2007] and they have regular walk-up stairs to the attic which is enclosed and sealed from the dwelling unit, our position is that the attic is required to be sprinklerd because section A.6.9.6 states small openings and not walk-up stairs. please chime

RE: balcony protection - 13R

2011-11-08 Thread Joel Chaim
What year in the IFC is this ? -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Smith, Steven D. (CSFD) Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:11 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: balcony protec

RE: Is there an 8000 lb gorilla in your area influencing fire sprinkler systems?

2011-10-30 Thread Joel Chaim
We had the issue with them as well they asked for a 10psi safety factor, I ended up going to the NJDCA and they helped, than on the next project we had the same issue and I argued again with them and they came back to me that they have data from other times of the day and the pressure is with 7 psi

RE: Expansion chamber for anti-freeze

2011-10-26 Thread Joel Chaim
vent same. Pressure chamber does the trick. John O'Connor Nashville TN -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:13 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sub

Expansion chamber for anti-freeze

2011-10-26 Thread Joel Chaim
Can anybody explain why I would need an expansion chamber for an anti-freeze system when there is only 60 psi in the street? NFPA does not make a difference for low street pressure. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:

Good pump for anti-freeze fill

2011-10-19 Thread Joel Chaim
I have an existing building that's currently filled with anti-freeze and the system is huge, any suggestion on a good pump will sure help. Thanks -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:

RE: cutting tool for ductile iron pipe

2011-09-07 Thread Joel Chaim
What about a handheld band saw? -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Charles Thurston Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:38 PM To: Joel Chaim Subject: Re: cutting tool for ductile iron pipe

cutting tool for ductile iron pipe

2011-09-07 Thread Joel Chaim
What's the best/fastest cutting tool for ductile iron pipe? I have tried grinders, reciprocation saw and I'm looking something that will work faster and I don't like to work with the huge cut-off saw -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:

IBC NJ Standpipe code section 905.2.2.1

2011-08-11 Thread Joel Chaim
FCNJ Section 905.2.2.1 Automatic water supply. An automatic water supply is required for all standpipe systems. The automatic water supply and supply piping shall be capable of delivering a flow of 500 GPM (1892 L/min) at the residual pressure specified in Section 905.2.1 for a duration of 30 minut

RE: sprinkler heads in exterior decks or balconies

2011-08-08 Thread Joel Chaim
x - 864.599.8439 CH2MHILL Extension 74102 craig.pr...@ch2m.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 10:06 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: sp

RE: sprinkler heads in exterior decks or balconies

2011-08-05 Thread Joel Chaim
of us we install a almost useless head somewhere on the wall above the deck and move on. (Oh but if there were an effective heat collector, then we could really confuse the issue.) -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: sprinkler heads in exterior decks or balconies

2011-08-05 Thread Joel Chaim
Where I'm missing clarification is, how do I provide deck protection when I place the sprinkler head under the it? It says in the first sentence of the code (903.3.1.2.1 Balconies and decks. "Sprinkler protection shall be provided for exterior balconies, decks and ground floor patios of dwel

RE: sprinkler heads in exterior decks or balconies

2011-08-04 Thread Joel Chaim
from a fire > below. No balcony or roof, no exterior sprinkler required. > > David Toshio Williams, PE, LEED-AP O+M High Performance Projects > Principal > > LHB, Inc. | PERFORMANCE DRIVEN DESIGN > > > -Original Message- > From: Joel Chaim [mailto:activefireprotect

RE: sprinkler heads in exterior decks or balconies

2011-08-04 Thread Joel Chaim
DRIVEN DESIGN -Original Message- From: Joel Chaim [mailto:activefireprotect...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 10:30 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: sprinkler heads in exterior decks or balconies I'm trying to get clarification already for a while rega

RE: sprinkler heads in exterior decks or balconies

2011-08-04 Thread Joel Chaim
You're protecting the siding and the deck structure above by > minimizing the intensity of fire below. I believe the purpose is to > minimize the threat from barbecues and deck furniture and a fire > becoming intense enough to breach the exterior and enter the structure, particular

sprinkler heads in exterior decks or balconies

2011-08-04 Thread Joel Chaim
I'm trying to get clarification already for a while regarding sprinklers on exterior decks, balconies & ground floor patios my questions are as follows: . Ground floor patios without a roof on top of it, where do I place the sprinkler head? . Are terraces required to have a sp

RE: Perfume Storage

2011-08-03 Thread Joel Chaim
ailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 12:46 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Perfume Storage I have a warehouse where they store highly flammable perfumes in small bottles, the MSDS sheet states that they are highly flam

Perfume Storage

2011-08-03 Thread Joel Chaim
I have a warehouse where they store highly flammable perfumes in small bottles, the MSDS sheet states that they are highly flammable it also states that fire extinguishing methods are co2, sand, powder and it says do not use water. My question is does this mean that the sprinkler system has to be t

RE: Attic storage design on a 13R system

2011-06-07 Thread Joel Chaim
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE   570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2

RE: Attic storage design on a 13R system

2011-06-07 Thread Joel Chaim
mark.sorn...@ulteig.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:56 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Attic storage design on a 13R system I ha

Attic storage design on a 13R system

2011-06-06 Thread Joel Chaim
I have a small building that's 3000 sq. feet designed as per NFPA 13R. but they want to use the attic for a storage room and the water supply is a tank and they need more water because the storage classification brings it up to 60 min. My question is does this section of the code do any good an

RE: Occupancy Calcification?

2011-05-25 Thread Joel Chaim
-Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:31 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Occupancy Calcification? I'm arguing with an engineer on occu

Occupancy Calcification?

2011-05-25 Thread Joel Chaim
I'm arguing with an engineer on occupancy classification for a grocery/supermarket store, please give input. The building consist of 2 level of 8000 sq. ft. per floor. the basement is used for storage and the walk-in level is used for the shoppers, the question is for the walk-in level, does t

RE: Ideas on how to found leaks on an old system

2011-05-23 Thread Joel Chaim
w behind air compressor. You can hear leaks "blowing" > with a large enough air compressor. We have used them several times > with success for mystery leaks in finished buildings. > Greg > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Joel Chaim > wrote: > >>

RE: recommended pre-action system

2011-05-20 Thread Joel Chaim
, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:59 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org

RE: R&D in the sprinkler industry?

2011-05-19 Thread Joel Chaim
It's nice to see grass roots R&D starting up in our industry again! Thank you Joel for the tip. The right link btw: http://www.theecogroupllc.com >http://www.theecogroupllc.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/embodimen t >5delugecurrent.GIF > > > >Best Re

Re: recommended pre-action system

2011-05-19 Thread Joel Chaim
I just found a more economical device for a small pre-action system any comments would be greatly appreciated. Here you go! http://www.theecogroupllc.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/embodiment 5delugecurrent.GIF Best Regards, Joel Chaim | Nicet level II Active Fire

RE: Ideas on how to found leaks on an old system

2011-05-18 Thread Joel Chaim
years ago and it turned out to be a very good job for us. Typically there is a lot of real good ammonia available at a freezer facility. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Wedn

RE: Ideas on how to found leaks on an old system

2011-05-18 Thread Joel Chaim
Company LLC 5757 Phantom Drive, Suite 125 Hazelwood, MO 63042 800-325-3936 www.pottersignal.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:22 PM To: sprinklerforum

RE: Ideas on how to found leaks on an old system

2011-05-18 Thread Joel Chaim
I tried ammonia but no luck will try this, where can you get this and is it stronger than ammonia? From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:24 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.o

Ideas on how to found leaks on an old system

2011-05-18 Thread Joel Chaim
I need to re-commission a sprinkler system that is already out of service for 10 years on a 75,000 sq. ft. bldg. it was not properly drained we found numerous leaks, fused sprinkler heads etc. but so far we are unable to detect where we lose the pressure. It goes up to 50psi air pressure and then i

RE: Issue with water supply company

2011-05-16 Thread Joel Chaim
Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:57 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Issue with water supply company I would say that they have enough authority to

RE: Issue with water supply company

2011-05-16 Thread Joel Chaim
Right on! From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Dave Phelan Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:02 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Issue with water supply company Funny how this question came up two days

RE: Issue with water supply company

2011-05-16 Thread Joel Chaim
ector Borough of Red Bank, NJ Not the opinion of any committee, association or organization. Approval of the Authority Having Jurisdiction required. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim

RE: Issue with water supply company

2011-05-16 Thread Joel Chaim
boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: 16 May 2011 15:46 To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Issue with water supply company Our company designed a very small community room in Toms River NJ and we were able to utilize a 2&qu

RE: Issue with water supply company

2011-05-16 Thread Joel Chaim
water purveyor, not code enforcer. John O'Connor National Fire Sprinklers Inc. Nashville TN -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:46 AM To: spri

Issue with water supply company

2011-05-16 Thread Joel Chaim
Our company designed a very small community room in Toms River NJ and we were able to utilize a 2" main with a 5.4 Psi safety factor, the plans got approved by the building department but is being held up by the water company because they want to see a 10 psi safety factor. I tried explaining them

RE: recommended pre-action system

2011-05-11 Thread Joel Chaim
Zealand -Original Message- From: Joel Chaim [mailto:activefireprotect...@gmail.com] Sent: 2011-05-12 05:22 To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: recommended pre-action system I have a job that requires 3 sprinkler head in a server room and the customer wants us to install a pre

recommended pre-action system

2011-05-11 Thread Joel Chaim
I have a job that requires 3 sprinkler head in a server room and the customer wants us to install a pre-action system. what model is the simplest to use? ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.or

RE: Design solution needed

2011-04-04 Thread Joel Chaim
firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:54 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Design solution needed Dividing the kitchen might help for room design method, I did a calc. and the most heads that I wa

RE: Design solution needed

2011-04-04 Thread Joel Chaim
ilto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org> mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:42 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Design solution needed Yes but it does not say anything about density. From:

RE: Design solution needed

2011-04-04 Thread Joel Chaim
legitimately call it light hazard? Pipe type and hose demand is allowed to use LH (though for hose demand, the rooms can not be adjacent so that nixes reducing it). Roland On Apr 4, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Joel Chaim wrote: > I'm thinking of offering them to divide the kitchen area into 2 > c

RE: Design solution needed

2011-04-04 Thread Joel Chaim
According to the GC it will be a $70,000.00 job, I am trying to get him to do the bigger service because in that 4000 sq. ft. area there is not much room to place tanks From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matthew J. Will

RE: Design solution needed

2011-04-04 Thread Joel Chaim
I'm thinking of offering them to divide the kitchen area into 2 compartments less than 400 sq ft. this way we can utilize the same hazard as the dining area my question can we lower the density to .10 as well because NFPA states that regardless if utilize the hose demand or not you still need to ca

RE: Design solution needed

2011-04-04 Thread Joel Chaim
: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Design solution needed Did you try small orifice heads?, even if you would need a strainer? And besides, isn't there a minimum undg size for FP? -Original Message- From: Joel Chaim [mailto:activefireprotect...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday,

RE: Design solution needed

2011-04-04 Thread Joel Chaim
Is the GC aware of the additional expense of 1) the electrical requirements, and 2) the additional maintenance expense to the owner, for a pump? Just curious. -Original Message- From: Joel Chaim [mailto:activefireprotect...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:20 AM To

Design solution needed

2011-04-04 Thread Joel Chaim
. Best Regards, Joel Chaim | Nicet level II ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org

Re: Non-differential dry pipe valve

2011-02-28 Thread Joel Chaim
It could work as pre-action, DPV or deluge and as long you maintain the air below 15 psi it should be good and I looked up spears and harvel both states that it can be used for low air systems. Best Regards, Joel Chaim Active Fire Protection Inc. Phone: 845-782-7494 Cell: 845-781-3075 Fax

Non-differential dry pipe valve

2011-02-27 Thread Joel Chaim
Does anyone have experience with the non-differential dry pipe valve from The Eco Group ? It sound very good but my concern is that down the road the actuation part of it will go . I want to use it in a CPVC system for a 13D, is there a way how to calc