Re: Adequate water supply

2013-09-19 Thread Rahe Loftin - 7PCE
What do you do when the water supply is adequate in pressure and flow but has corrosive elements other than MIC? Who is responsible for the quality of the water supply? * * *Thanks* * * *Rahe Loftin, PE * *Fire Protection Engineer (AHJ)* *General Services Administration* *Region 7 - TX, OK, NM, A

Re: required section modulus (it don't get no easier)

2013-06-06 Thread Rahe Loftin - 7PCE
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Re: required section modulus (it don't get no easier)

2013-06-05 Thread Rahe Loftin - 7PCE
Ken, You might mention that if one is trying to support a 6 inch pipe, requiring 1/2 inch all thread rod with a trapeze using 3/8 inch all thread rod, as the 6 inch pipe is moved from the middle of the span, one of the 3/8 ATRs will begin to be supporting more of the 6 inch pipe load. At some poin

Re: Slatted Wood Ceilings

2013-05-12 Thread Rahe Loftin - 7PCE
elephone Number: 301-474-1136 > Mobile Telephone Number: 301-343-1457 > FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES - Can you live without them? > > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Be

Re: Slatted Wood Ceilings

2013-05-10 Thread Rahe Loftin - 7PCE
Brian, Please look at the NFPA 13, 2013 Edition excerpt below. The things to note is that the depth of the ceiling material does not exceed the least dimension of the opening. Some will interpret this section that it only applies to egg crate ceiling designs, Look at the Annex note following the

Re: Unistrut Modulus

2013-03-07 Thread Rahe Loftin - 7PCE
Be very careful using "Unistrut" for trapeze members. The same section modulus is used for the solid, slotted, perforated, etc models. However, only the solid is in strict conformance with NFPA 13. Even though the slotted/perforated units have the same section modulus, they have different deflec

Re: IT Datacenter applications

2012-12-11 Thread Rahe Loftin - 7PCE
Great job Cecil. Beautiful illustrations. Sure takes me back several years. Now the NFPA 13 Handbook is really providing some meat for its readers. *Thanks* * * *Rahe Loftin, PE * *Fire Protection Engineer (AHJ)* *General Services Administration* *Region 7 - TX, OK, NM, AR, LA* *Design & Constr

Re: Hangers

2012-04-22 Thread Rahe Loftin (7PCE)
Ken, Totally agree, however when there is a structural restriction such as this, the practical solution is to provide more hangers with spacing reduced from the maximums listed in NFPA 13. This is a structural solution not a financial solution. There are structures that do have limits such as thi

Re: Partial height walls in ordinary hazard.

2012-03-07 Thread Rahe Loftin (7PCE)
The only way to avoid this issue is to lower the walls. I, personally, don't agree with the 18 inch rule as it allows a sprinkler to be anywhere as long as the vertical obstruction is 18 inches or greater below the deflector. Even though the 18 inch clearance will allow the pattern to develop, th

Re: Buy American Act Article

2011-11-01 Thread Rahe Loftin (7PCE)
George, You are correct. Logic and Government are incompatible. I fight it daily. Rahe Loftin, PE Fire Protection Engineer (AHJ) General Services Administration Design & Construction 7PCE 817-371-3102 On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:07 PM, George Church wrote: > Not that it would be any justific

Jockey Pump

2011-10-07 Thread Rahe Loftin (7PCE)
Here is another question for the forum. Is a jockey pump that is used, with a fire pump, for aboveground sprinkler systems acceptable to be used for a large fire pump fed underground system that supplies hydrants and buildings? It would seem that there would be more leakage underground and a 10-1

Re: Manufacturer's Fittings

2011-10-07 Thread Rahe Loftin (7PCE)
00 > > Subject: Re: Manufacturer's Fittings > > From: rongreen...@gmail.com > > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > > > > Why not? It's more exact than generic average in the prescriptive > document. > > But is the difference, even across all the

Manufacturer's Fittings

2011-10-06 Thread Rahe Loftin (7PCE)
I would like an opinion as to the use of the equivalent feet of pipe in NFPA 13 versus the equivalent length of pipe provided by a manufacturer for fittings. For example, is it in accordance with NFPA 13 to use the manufacturer's equivalent feet of pipe for a roll grooved elbow fitting instead of