Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread bcasterline
is applied to. -Kyle M From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 3:55 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Mark.Phelps
less than 2,000 sq. ft.? I can admit that this is a larger area than I would normally see this applied to. -Kyle M From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 3:55 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread John Irwin
if there is no combustible >storage. >>>> >>>> >>>> Show me where the building code says otherwise… and then show me >how this area is different than other exterior projections where >sprinkler may be omitted. >>>> >>>> >>>> “A.8.15

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Travis Mack
terior projections include, but are not limited to, exterior >>> roofs, canopies, porte-cocheres, balconies, decks, or similar projections.” >>> >>> >>> Is there a definition of “exterior projection” somewhere that limits it to >>> less than 2,000

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread John Irwin
projection” somewhere that limits >it to less than 2,000 sq. ft.? I can admit that this is a larger area >than I would normally see this applied to. >> >> -Kyle M >> >> From: Sprinklerforum >[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of >Travis Mack

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Travis Mack
would > normally see this applied to. > > -Kyle M > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Travis Mack > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 3:55 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Ar

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Kyle.Montgomery
@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area We need a LIKE button for emails. So many times people get lost debating NFPA 13 criteria when the answer is quite clear in the building code. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com

Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread bcasterline
in the IBC.This is a building. SML -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 2:07 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Exterior Play Area It do

Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Travis Mack
Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 2:07 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Exterior Play Area > > It dosent say those things because it's ou

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread bcasterline
boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Irwin Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:56 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area I'm not sure assuming the worst is the way to go. Additiona

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread bcasterline
g Cc: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area I'm not sure assuming the worst is the way to go. Additionally, 2/3 of the covered area is concrete basketball court. John Irwin DynaFire Inc. Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division 727-282-9243 This email was sent from a mobi

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Kyle.Montgomery
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 3:12 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area Yeah I didn't think you meant tire storage for real but some are making suggestions based on some assumptions of what wil

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread John Irwin
rum@lists.firesprinkler.org >Cc: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area > >I'm not sure assuming the worst is the way to go. Additionally, 2/3 of >the covered area is concrete basketball court. >John Irwin >DynaFire Inc. >Ta

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Kyle.Montgomery
@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area I'm not sure assuming the worst is the way to go. Additionally, 2/3 of the covered area is concrete basketball court. John Irwin DynaFire Inc. Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division 727-282-9243 This email was sent from a mobile device. Please fo

Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread John Irwin
; fire load, there is one). >>>> >>>> So once again, from the top: NFPA 13 doesn't exclude this area >>>> because it's occupied and has or potentially has combustibles >>>> below it. The building code defines it as a building. Why don't

Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread bcasterline
sprinkler.org] On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:10 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Exterior Play Area I vote no sprinklers required -- open and noncombustible- the rockinghorse on a spring is like a newspaper machine - there will always be

Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Bruce Verhei
building. Why don't we have to sprinkler it? >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] >> On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com >> Sent: Friday

RE: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Steve Leyton
y word for it - go look it up in the IBC.This is a building. SML -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 2:07 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subj

Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread bcasterline
lding. Why don't we have to sprinkler it? Steve -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:10 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: E

RE: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Steve Leyton
iresprinkler.org] On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:10 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Exterior Play Area I vote no sprinklers required -- open and noncombustible- the rockinghorse on a spring is like a newspaper machine - there wil

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread John Irwin
l Message- >From: Sprinklerforum >[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of >bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com >Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:10 PM >To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area > >I vote no sprinklers

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Carrie Nickell
essage- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:10 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area > > I vote no sprinkler

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Kyle.Montgomery
-inc.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:10 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Exterior Play Area I vote no sprinklers required -- open and noncombustible- the rockinghorse on a spring is like a newspaper machine - there will always be just one of them- not one today

Re: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread bcasterline
...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Irwin Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:10 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Exterior Play Area I can appreciate your opinion, but I need a code reference. 😉 John Irwin DynaFire Inc. – “Same Day – Next Day” From: Sprinklerforum

RE: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Steve Leyton
8.15.7.5. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Irwin Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:10 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Exterior Play Area I can appreciate your opinion, but I need a code reference. 😉 John

RE: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread John Irwin
I can appreciate your opinion, but I need a code reference. 😉 John Irwin DynaFire Inc. – “*Same Day – Next Day*” *From:* Sprinklerforum *On Behalf Of *Steve Leyton *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2018 1:47 PM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* RE: Exterior Play Area

RE: Exterior Play Area

2018-04-13 Thread Steve Leyton
Assuming there’s play equipment there (fire load) and knowing that there are kids occupying the space, I wouldn’t call this an “exterior projection”. It’s a shad structure with occupancy below and IMO requires sprinkler protection. SML From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists