Seismic bracing

I need some help with a seismic problem. I am making modifications to a 1970's sprinkler system in NC, we are using the 2000 ed of NFPA 13. There is no seismic bracing on this system. I have had to add some new main in various areas. The local AHJ is requiring that only the new sprinkler

Seismic Bracing

In a 13R building there are a 2" cpvc blazemaster supply mains run to supply the upper floor sprinkler systems. The piping will be supported using 2" long rods. The location requires seismic protection. Will sway bracing be required? Any other requirements? Thanks, Tony __

Seismic Bracing

Quick question regarding seismic bracing. What is the consensus with regard to the 40' & 80' spacing, do you take this as accumulative or do you start over each time the main has an elbow or change of direction in it? For example: if you have a main that runs 30' horizontal th

Seismic Bracing

Hello Sprinklerforum, I am looking for ways to put longitudinal bracing on a straight run of 6" Schedule 40 pipe that can expand or contract About 5" with a temperature swing from 40 degrees to 100 degrees. This is a 1400' durn near straight run. I am looking at using a Metraflex Building Sep

Seismic Bracing

Forum, When spacing braces I was taught that you can include directional changes in the pipe as long as you stay within the 40-80 ft. rule. For example: if there is 15' of pipe, then 90 elbow with 5' of pipe, then another 90 with 10 ft. of pipe (total linear ft is 30) you can have braces at each en

FW: Seismic Bracing

Is it possible to have a Main that only has Lateral Bracing & no Longitudinal Bracing? Say you have a Main that is 40'-0" long and have a Lateral brace within 6' of each end, are you required to have a Longitudinal brace in the middle? Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. Sprinkler Division bvssy

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11:17 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: FW: Seismic Bracing Is it possible to have a Main that only has Lateral Bracing & no Longitudinal Bracing? Say you have a Main that is 40'-0" long and have a Lateral brace within 6' of each end, are you required to

RE: Seismic Bracing

Steve Leyton Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:27 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic Bracing I believe that you need at least one longitudinal brace in the scenario you describe. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

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M To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic Bracing Yes, you need a longitudinal brace as Steve said. Lateral braces can act as longitudinal braces if they are within 24 in. of the pipe braced longitudinally and the brace is on a pipe of equal or greater size than the pipe being b

seismic bracing calcs

Seismic design category C, contractor submittal package, Do you provide a calc sheet for EQ bracing or just locate per NFPA 13 and send typical catalog data sheets? FM Global project, BTW. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Lead CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spart

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g the 2000 ed of NFPA 13. There is no seismic bracing on this system. I have had to add some new main in various areas. The local AHJ is requiring that only the new sprinkler main will need to be braced. Does anyone know if this is an actual standards requirement or just a preference of the loca

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Of Forest Wilson Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:15 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Seismic bracing Does the building code require it? The building code dictates if you are in a seismic zone and NFPA 13 tells you how to do it. On 9/5/2014 8:13 AM, Steve Sorrell

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nklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Sorrell Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:20 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic bracing The building code requires it. How effective would a partially braced system be, only th

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The AHJ can't just "require it". His preference is not relevant. Also seismic bracing is not based on Zones or Maps anymore, hasn't been for quite a while. I'm curious why you're using the 2000 edition of NFPA 13. Anyway back to seismic. Seismic requirements ar

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@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic bracing The AHJ can't just "require it". His preference is not relevant. Also seismic bracing is not based on Zones or Maps anymore, hasn't been for quite a while. I'm curious why you're using the 2000 edition of NFPA 13. An

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Check the structural notes. If it is seismic design category a or b, then no seismic. If SDC of C or higher then bracing required. It seems odd to do seismic bracing of piping if the building is not designed to resist seismic forces. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC Sent from my iPhone

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9:11 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Seismic bracing Check the structural notes. If it is seismic design category a or b, then no seismic. If SDC of C or higher then bracing required. It seems odd to do seismic bracing of piping if the building is not designed to resi

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nklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic bracing The AHJ can't just "require it". His preference is not relevant. Also seismic bracing is not based on Zones or Maps anymore, hasn't been for quite a while. I'm curious why you're using the 2000 edition of NF

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ehalf Of Steve Sorrell Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:13 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Seismic bracing I need some help with a seismic problem. I am making modifications to a 1970's sprinkler system in NC, we are using the 2000 ed of NFPA 13. There is no seismic b

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Stephen, I don't believe the AHJ you're dealing with has thought this decision through very carefully. They seem to be equating "seismic bracing" with "seismic protection", which includes such other features as flexible couplings, clearance requirements,

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Brooks Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 10:09 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic bracing "Does anyone know if this is an actual standards requirement or just a preference of the local AHJ ?" One way to do this would be to ask the AHJ. This is something

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e past and have little to no meaning anymore. I can have two buildings 50 ft apart and one require seismic bracing and one not require it. The factors determining that are not difficult to maneuver through but take some knowledge of the Building Code and hazards present, building use, soil

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t: Friday, September 05, 2014 5:11 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Seismic bracing Stephen, I don't believe the AHJ you're dealing with has thought this decision through very carefully. They seem to be equating "seismic bracing" with "s

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ooperation. -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of rfletc...@aerofire.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 11:16 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic bracing Some jurisdictions around here re

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I have never had an AHJ in either CT or MA ask for calcs for seismic bracing. Most just want to see something. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT www.fpdc.com 860-535-2080 (ofc) > On Sep 5, 2014, at 11:10 AM, wrote: > > Some jurisdictions around her

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Oh boy, here we go again.  Every time the subject of seismic bracing / protection comes up, it shows that there is a general lack of understanding among contractors and designers (myself included) as to when it is required, what is required, and how to do it correctly. We need more education

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il:tm...@mfpdesign.com On 9/5/2014 8:58 AM, wmens...@comcast.net wrote: Oh boy, here we go again. Every time the subject of seismic bracing / protection comes up, it shows that there is a general lack of understanding among contractors and designers (myself included) as to when it is required, wh

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-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Jim Davidson Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:43 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic bracing Ron, I hope you have a hold harmless letter from the building owner and or developer because the sprinkler contractor will b

RE: Seismic bracing

ismic bracing Oh boy, here we go again.  Every time the subject of seismic bracing / protection comes up, it shows that there is a general lack of understanding among contractors and designers (myself included) as to when it is required, what is required, and how to do it correctly. We need

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forum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of wmens...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 11:58 AM To: sprinklerforum Subject: Re: Seismic bracing Oh boy, here we go again.  Every time the subject of seismic bracing / protection comes up, it shows that there is a general lack of und

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u for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of wmens...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 12:16 PM To: sprinklerforum Subject: Re: Seismic bracing Oh boy, here we go again.  Every time the su

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--Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of wmens...@comcast.net > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 11:58 AM > To: sprinklerforum > Subject: Re: Seismic bracing > > > > Oh boy, here we go again. Eve

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f Jim Davidson Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 9:28 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic bracing The seismic design classification should be determined by the structural engineer who determines the SDC of the site. Once the SDC is determined then you can go into e

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014 List of 100 Best Companies to Work For -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of rfletc...@aerofire.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 12:34 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic bracing

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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of rfletc...@aerofire.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 1:46 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic bracing Since it is an existing building I doubt any of the things you have listed will be done. I guess I

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: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of rfletc...@aerofire.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 12:34 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Seismic bracing Since it is an existing building I doubt any of the things you have listed

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Re: Seismic Bracing

Short rods only eliminate lateral bracing. You will still need longitudinal bracing. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107 email:tm...@mfpdesign.com http://www.mfpdesign.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/9221841

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erforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 12:41 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Seismic Bracing Short rods only eliminate lateral bracing. You will still need longitudinal bracing. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design

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Rocci, You're correct in one way, the '16 edition no longer allows the use of hanger rods less than 6" long to omit lateral seismic bracing on mains, if the Cp value is greater than 0.50. That does indeed cover most of California, and several other places as well.

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7;16 edition no longer allows the use > of hanger rods less than 6" long to omit lateral seismic bracing on mains, > if the Cp value is greater than 0.50. That does indeed cover most of > California, and several other places as well. > That change was added to 9.3.5.5.10.2, (4) in th

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;> Rocci, >> You're correct in one way, the '16 edition no longer allows the use of >> hanger rods less than 6" long to omit lateral seismic bracing on mains, if >> the Cp value is greater than 0.50. That does indeed cover most of >> California, an

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te: Rocci, You're correct in one way, the '16 edition no longer allows the use of hanger rods less than 6" long to omit lateral seismic bracing on mains, if the Cp value is greater than 0.50. That does indeed cover most of California, and several other places

Seismic bracing clips

Hi, I manage a 1970 vintage concrete tilt-up industrial park with a panelized roof in Southern California. As part of my 5-yr, my contractor is telling me that I need to install seismic clips on some of the locations where the pipes traverse a hanger (v-hangers, in this case). I am looking for i

Seismic bracing clips

Larry: Seismic bracing requirements have tightene up a lot since the 1970's for fire sprinklers. Bracing was often referred to as the weakest aspect of a sprinkler system prior to the turn of the century. You can probably find a copy of NFPA 13 (Sprinkler Installation Standard) at your

RE: Seismic Bracing

: Seismic Bracing Quick question regarding seismic bracing. What is the consensus with regard to the 40' & 80' spacing, do you take this as accumulative or do you start over each time the main has an elbow or change of direction in it? For example: if you have a main that runs 30' hor

RE: Seismic Bracing

Brian Harris Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:46 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Seismic Bracing Quick question regarding seismic bracing. What is the consensus with regard to the 40' & 80' spacing, do you take this as accumulative or do you start over each time the main has

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ve > > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian > Harris > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:46 AM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: Seismic Bracing > >

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. Roland On Mar 21, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Brian Harris wrote: Quick question regarding seismic bracing. What is the consensus with regard to the 40' & 80' spacing, do you take this as accumulative or do you start over each time the main has an elbow or change of direction in it? F

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looks like it did not like my copy and paste. Go look at the ROP: 13-338 and 341 Roland On Mar 22, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Roland Huggins wrote: The TC just added at the ROP meeting the following: -- next part -- The same issue on hangers has been addressed as 13-327 w

RE: Seismic Bracing

1400' of 6" 40! Ouch, my back... Hello Sprinklerforum, I am looking for ways to put longitudinal bracing on a straight run of 6" Schedule 40 pipe that can expand or contract About 5" with a temperature swing from 40 degrees to 100 degrees. This is a 1400' durn near straight run. I am looking

Re: Seismic Bracing

Expansion joint? Maybe less expensive than Metra Flex. George Medina Jr. Sr. Fire Sprinkler Designer -Original Message- From: Coastal To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 3:57 pm Subject: Seismic Bracing Hello Sprinklerforum, I am looking for ways to

Re: Seismic Bracing

This may be a good application for cable bracing. Contact Loos Co. (www.earthquakebrace.com) and pose the question to them. At 06:57 PM 7/1/2010, you wrote: >Hello Sprinklerforum, > > I am looking for ways to put longitudinal bracing on a straight > run of 6" Schedule 40 pipe that can expand

RE: Seismic Bracing

If this is new construction, ask the structural engineer how much the structure expands and contracts with the temperature swings. If it's similar, then you may not need to be concerned about expansion - your pipe and the structure would expand/contract as a unit. Just install longitudinal braces

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It's also relevant to note that if a seismic separation assembly is installed, a four-way brace within 6'-0" of either side of that assembly will be required according to 9.3.3 of -13. -- PARSLEY CONSULTING Ken Wagoner, SET 760.745.6181 voice 760.745.0537 fax parsleyconsult...@cox.net

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CPVC & Seismic Bracing

I know this was discussed recently but I don't think this specific point was brought up. Currently there is only one listed sway brace for CPVC and it is a lateral brace. Now in order to provide longitudinal bracing it was suggested to install a lateral brace on the branch line within 24 in. of the

Seismic Bracing/Drops

I have a situation where I have a main elevation of 27'-0 and ceilings @ 9'-0, this creates single 1"x16'-0 drops w/threaded couplings and then a flexible drop to ceiling. The whole reason for keeping the main high is that it would be impossible to seismic brace. In reviewing NFPA-13 2007 I only se

Re: Seismic Bracing

As you already know, 13 does not explicitly address this issue (at least not that I could find in a quick search of my memory and the text). The question I have is since the load calculation for the lateral brace is based upon the perpendicular load but after an elbow the same plane become

Re: Seismic Bracing

Longitudinal brace within 24" of the 5' piece can act as its lateral. Lateral brace within 24" of the 5' piece can act as its longitudinal. Otherwise, you have to have both a lateral and longitudinal on the 5' piece. Scott Mitchell Brian Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Forum, W

Estimating seismic bracing $$

When preparing an estimate for bid how do most factor in costs for EQ bracing and engineering? Is it a percentage or based on a preliminary layout or Off-line responses are welcome if you don't want to post your trade secrets. All responses are kept confidential for the right price. ;)

Re: FW: Seismic Bracing

Brian, There is no option in NFPA 13 which allows omission of longitudinal bracing. In the scenario you describe, the 40' long main would indeed require a longitudinal brace,and any location along the length of that main would be acceptable, as it must be no more than 40' from the end of the

RE: FW: Seismic Bracing

Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:31 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: FW: Seismic Bracing Brian, There is no option in NFPA 13 which allows omission of longitudinal bracing. In the scenario you describe, the 40' long main would indeed require a longitudinal brace,and an

RE: seismic bracing calcs

@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: seismic bracing calcs Seismic design category C, contractor submittal package, Do you provide a calc sheet for EQ bracing or just locate per NFPA 13 and send typical catalog data sheets? FM Global project, BTW. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Lead

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There really is no locate per NFPA 13. You still have max of 40/80, 4 way at change in direction and laterals no more than 6' from end of cross main. But, with all of the other requirements in chapter 9, you must calculate the bracing spacing. I consider it just like pipe sizing calcs any more

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t: RE: seismic bracing calcs I have specified the shop drawings and bracing calculations be submitted to the project structural engineer to confirm the adequacy of the attachment point to resist the loading. Is this a common practice? Bill Brooks -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum

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nkler.org] On Behalf Of rongreenman . Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:13 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: seismic bracing calcs How do you locate per 13? How do you know what you did will work? How do you know that 1" x 34" brace at 37 degrees to side of a b

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ot an adequate degree of diligence, IMHO Oops, my soapbox just broke. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Denhardt Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:12 AM

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14 8:14 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: seismic bracing calcs Exactly. Unless your drawing which shows those little criss-cross arrows are accompanied by calculations AND unless your calculations are acceptable to the project structural engineer, then you do not have a comple

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.2322 Cell > Skype: steven.scandaliato > > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bill > Brooks > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:14 AM > To: sprinklerforum@list

RE: seismic bracing calcs

r.org Subject: RE: seismic bracing calcs This goes to perpetuate the notion that we're different or special and that's good and okay. I respectfully disagree - it's not. Every other discipline is required to structurally engineer their supports, coordinate loads and attachme

RE: seismic bracing calcs

ssage- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of rfletc...@aerofire.com Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 10:18 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: seismic bracing calcs I think the reason we are s

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firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve > Leyton > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 10:27 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: seismic bracing calcs > > This goes to perpetuate the notion that we're

RE: seismic bracing calcs

From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd - Work Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 1:21 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: seismic bracing calcs I think you also need to take into account reg

Re: seismic bracing calcs

.@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > Todd - Work > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 1:21 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: seismic bracing calcs > > I think you also need to take into account regional differences. Some > areas, like Leytonland, have a

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