potential freezing in ESFR system

2020-12-22 Thread Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum
we have a GC who wants to hydro test a pendant ESFR system before they have heat in the building. They want to fill and test during the day while temperatures are over 40F, and then drain the system before it gets cold again. I thought it did not sound like a great idea, but I can't necessaril

Re: potential freezing in ESFR system

2020-12-22 Thread Bob Caputo via Sprinklerforum
Matt, Not sure many people are lurking around the forum this week, so I’ll offer my 2 cents worth…. 1st and foremost, I would get the GC to sign off on a letter stating that you are not responsible for any freeze damage resulting from their request to perform the hydro prior to having heat in

Re: potential freezing in ESFR system

2020-12-22 Thread John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum
Again personally, I would never knowingly put water in a wet piping system unless the "client" can ensure or take responsibility" for any damage due to freezing. Pulling the pendent sprinklers is not a viable option. As a contractor, in almost all cases, our client backed down. In the case when

Re: potential freezing in ESFR system

2020-12-22 Thread Richard Mote via Sprinklerforum
@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: John Denhardt Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2020 1:11 pm Subject: Re: potential freezing in ESFR system Again personally, I would never knowingly put water in a wet piping system unless the "client" can ensure or take responsibility" for any damage due to freezing.  Pulling the pen

Re: potential freezing in ESFR system

2020-12-22 Thread John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: John Denhardt > Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2020 1:11 pm > Subject: Re: potential freezing in ESFR system > > Again personally, I would never knowingly put water in a wet piping system > unless the "

RE: potential freezing in ESFR system

2020-12-22 Thread Hinson, Ryan via Sprinklerforum
ject: Re: potential freezing in ESFR system Currently - NFPA 13-2019 allows pulling plugs and installing sprinklers without another hydrostatic test. 28.2.1.8* When systems are being hydrostatically tested, tests shall be permitted to be conducted with pendent or horizontal sidewall sprinklers o

Re: potential freezing in ESFR system

2020-12-22 Thread AKS-Gmail-IMAP via Sprinklerforum
It is and has been surprising to me when fire protection contractors ask the pipe freezing question or when they ask piping support questions in context with approval by local AHJ of any kind. The reason for the surprise is because contractors have ready access to materials, labor and space to c

RE: potential freezing in ESFR system

2020-12-22 Thread Scott Futrell via Sprinklerforum
(612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of AKS-Gmail-IMAP via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 5:14 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: AKS-Gmail-IMAP Subject: Re: potential freezing in ESFR system It is and has been surprising

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: potential freezing in ESFR system

2020-12-22 Thread Kyle.Montgomery via Sprinklerforum
ginal Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Bob Caputo via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:06 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Bob Caputo Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: potential freezing in ESFR system Matt, Not sure many people are lurking around the forum this

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: potential freezing in ESFR system

2020-12-23 Thread Cary Webber via Sprinklerforum
Bob Caputo Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: potential freezing in ESFR system CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. Matt, I think I agree with all of Bob's poin