Re: Nightmare Units/ K4 mods

"Phil. Paskos" wrote: //snip// > By the way Clark, How does your burner fit in the boiler? Mine > is a bit looser than I'd like. Mine is snug. You can tighten it some by taping close the copper flange on the boiler tube. I have several projects ahead of the K4 fix so it will be a time before I

Re: Units

Speaking of units when I was surfing the web I ran across somewhere that a modeler had built a N guage live steam engine that really runs. Honest, I am an old sailor and old sailors never lie!! Really!

RE: Units

I hear you. Neither am I and I never will be. But it won't stop me from playing with toy steam trains. It's a "Catch 22". If you have a sparkie model steam loco, you can detail it to the nines but it's still not a steam engine anyway you look at it. On the other hand, with a model steam engine, t

Re:boiler pressure

> >As a newbie live steamer, neither of them translate to anything meaningful >to me since I can't see how 200lbs of steam pressure against a cylinder face >of x inches in diameter can move a multi-ton Loco and it's consist, but it >does somehow. Remember that is 200 PSI. There is 200 pound

In-line twin Again

Some info to pass along... >From a previous posts concerning ossicilating in-line steam power plants I ended up aquiring a Cheddar machined engine kit. It was and easy bolt together job that took an evening and has now been steam tested with good results. Now, to build the rest of the locomotive!

RE: Apologies? Huh?

Yeah I'm not sure there were EVER any apologies necessary here for any of this. The problem with the d*mn computer communication is that you can't see the look on someone's face or hear the tone of their voice. (Always been one of it's BIGGEST shortcomings in the "chat" area.) So to iterate...

Units

I am not, and never have, considered myself a modeler or a miniaturist. I feel that the level of frustration produced by such endeavors are not worth the effort -- as far as I am concerned, there never has been and never will be, a true "scale model" of anything UNTIL you come up with a way to

Re: Nightmare Units

Amen, Peter! Geoff. At 03:01 PM 00-02-15 -0500, Bill Keuhsel wrote: > >>Sorry again, but you are wrong. I will quote to you from "Fundamentals of >>Physics" by Halliday & Resnick, third edition, John Wiley publisher, page >>86. >>This is a text used in engineering schools, and Resnick was/is a

Re: I Apologize!!

Did you forget an apostrostroke ( ' )in that word?

RE: Nightmare Units

No, NO! Lee--I wasn't referring to your comments--but some folks carried them into outer space. Your queries below are very applicable to our hobby where scratch builders need this info. (sorry I can't help!) We have to be very technical at times--my concern is keeping the technical stuff with

Re: Nightmare Units/Pressure

Not to make you feel bad Lee, but it's only the later steam engines that ran on 200 to 300 Lbs. of pressure. The early engines ran on a lot less. Some things scale down the way you think they should. others don't. Phil.P. Reading,Pa. > Now... If we're done with this bar room brawl over weight

Re: International Dutch steamup/East Coast Steamup

Anyone in the cold dreary middle Atlantic Region might want to go to Steamtown in Scranton this weekend for the : PRESIDENT'S DAY WEEKEND ; FEB 19-21 AT The museum in Scranton ,Pa. 9-5 PM Sat,Sun, and Mon. There will be several Gauge 1 tracks set up in the roundhouse plus some large scale electri

Re: Nightmare Units

Lee, Get your calculator out and figure the thrust on the surface of a 1/2 dia piston at 30 psi and the thrust on a 18 inch dia piston at 200 psi and I think that should answer it for you. Jim McDavid -Original Message- From: Lee Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Multiple recipients of ssliv

Re: I Apologize!!

In a message dated 2/15/2000 6:52:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Many people are > confused about Mass and Weight and the Metric and English systems. I'm confused also, but my wife says if I'm concerned about mass I should eat less! Keith

Re: I Apologize!!

Go do three Hail Mary's and you're forgiven. Jim

Re: Nightmare Units/ K4 mods

O.K.Clark; Thanks for the info. I will call them and get the gauge. I measured the glass and according to Sulphur Springs the 6mm glass is what we'll need. The fun part comes in identifying the threads on the fitting. The assembly manual calls it 8-3. This is further identified as an M6 lockn

Re: I Apologize!!

In a message dated 2/15/00 6:20:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Geoff, Lee and all others. My apologies I am the Dumb A## that stirred up this hornets nest. Partially trying to be funny and partially trying to figure out what the pressure in metric converted t

I Apologize!!

Geoff, Lee and all others. My apologies I am the Dumb A## that stirred up this hornets nest. Partially trying to be funny and partially trying to figure out what the pressure in metric converted to english units. I should have kept my trap shut (or fingers off the keyboard). I am just an

RE: Nightmare Units

Geoff, I hope your not holding me too responsible for getting too technical since I started this, but there really was a point I wanted to address and learn about. Namely, If I start out to design a model Loco, what formula (if there is one), can I apply to calculate how much steam pressure I n

RE: Nightmare Units

Jim, Excellent. Thank you! Wish I could take credit for the pun, but you're the guy that noticed it, not me. See my response to Geoff Spence... There really was a point to my originating this mess and you hit right on it. Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Nightmare Units

At 03:01 PM 00-02-15 -0500, Bill Keuhsel wrote: >Sorry again, but you are wrong. I will quote to you from "Fundamentals of >Physics" by Halliday & Resnick, third edition, John Wiley publisher, page 86. >This is a text used in engineering schools, and Resnick was/is a professor at Please don'

BAGRS Kit--Getting Started (Long)

A couple weeks ago Michael Martin asked for reactions to the BAGRS project loco, and I wrote to him with a couple of my concerns about the BAGRS loco as well as with a request for sources of information for rank beginners in small-scale live steam. Michael responded to me with a most thoughtful

Re: Nightmare Units

>Now... If we're done with this bar room brawl< Is that a pun on the discussion - "bar" room brawl? >can somebody PLEASE tell me why my little 13 POUND Loco requires at least 30 Pounds of steam pressure to even move, while 200 Pounds of steam will drive a multi-ton critter?< Your 9/16 diamete

Re: Nightmare Units

In a message dated 2/15/00 1:47:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Sorry, Mass should not be confused with weight. Mass and weight are two different quantities. >> I do not want to seem to be a smart-ass but, sir, according to the Machinery's Handbook 21st edi

Re: Nightmare Units

Clark Lord and Pete Foley hit the nail on the head concerning bars/kg/cm2. Of course Clark usually does hit the nail on the head--squarely!! For our hobby, there is nothing complicated about the conversion. Multiply 14.7 (or even 15) by the reading on the kg/cm2 and you have psi. or vice versa.

RE: Nightmare Units

Well that explains it. I live on the WINDWARD side of Oahu. I take full responsibility for the mess here on this issue. (heh heh) Now... If we're done with this bar room brawl over weight vs mass vs metric vs imperial vs miller vs bud, can somebody PLEASE tell me why my little 13 POUND Loco requ

CrtU factore or Crotchety Units

I like learning, and even more if there exists a little flair. Thanks to everyone for sharing. Conversion of units and the concepts of what each measure is actually describing is often a pain. I am taking a community college course on cabinet making. Despite having used tools for decades, I am le

Re: Nightmare Units

In a message dated 00-02-15 13:25:46 EST, you write: << Neither Walt. It's the amount of pressure needed to open a Bud or Coors or Miller's.:) >> No, now your getting into pascals (Pa) and angular velocity (rad/s2) to open a can of Bud. Also if you stay to the leeward side of the islands th

Re: Nightmare Units

I am sorry I got into the middle of this mess. I really gotta learn to not respond to touchy subjects.Just remember 25.4. It is all Lee's fault, he is the one that brought it up. I AM SORRY AND APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE WHO I MAY HAVE OFFENDED!! Crotochity ol' Lloyd

Re: Nightmare Units

In a message dated 00-02-15 08:34:03 EST, you write: << Sorry, Mass should not be confused with weight. Mass and weight are two different quantities. >> I do not want to seem to be a smart-ass but, sir, according to the Machinery's Handbook 21st edition (the handiest reference I had ava

Re: Nightmare Units

Neither Walt. It's the amount of pressure needed to open a Bud or Coors or Miller's.:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Is that at mean sea level, or atop Mt. Everest?

Re: Pipe Fittings

In a message dated 2/15/2000 9:25:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Neither of the above they are special taper I mentioned earlier about SSSteam Model's taps. Bob seems to offer them in taper threads too. I see no price difference between any of his styles. BTW I hav

Re: International Dutch steamup

In a message dated 00-02-15 07:09:37 EST, you write: << Sunday on march 19th 2000 a spring steamup will by held at the National= motorcar museum in Raamsdonksveer. Between the old-timers model engine >> Well I think I will pack my bagswhere the h#&& is Raamsdonksveer anyhow? I t

Re: Nightmare Units

Lets all just face reality. Some things you can scale to size and some things you can't. Just make it look good, to hell with being accurate and to scale. Metric and English measurements will be around for the rest of most of our lives we are just going to have to deal with it.

Re: Pipe Fittings

At 9:24 AM -0800 2/15/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Could Cole,s have a web page or catalog. Phone: (805) 643-0706. The catalog costs $4. BTW, no relation. --- Dave Cole General Manager, Westline & Mussel Rock Railroad Daly City, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of

Re: Pipe Fittings

In a message dated 00-02-14 23:59:54 EST, you write: << Neither of the above they are special taper. You can get more info from Cole's in Ventura CA. >> Well I am quite a ways from Ventura CA, and it would be quite a drive. Could Cole,s have a web page or catalog.

Re: Nightmare Units

Is that at mean sea level, or atop Mt. Everest?

Re: Nightmare Units

Well 'they' are winning but slowly. I am just back from a visit to Warco just outside Guildford, England, suppliers of Chinese & Taiwanese lathes & mills & I asked them what proportions of metric & imperial specified machines they sold. The reply was 60/40 in favour of metric, 'tho at the Yorks

Biography - Arthur W Walker

I live in Guildford, England, 59ys old & recently retired. Got hooked on playing trains some 20-25 ys.ago as a result of taking my two boys to preserved railways etc. They grew up, I suffered reversion. Interests, Brit built locos for overseas, Dutch steam trams, & US locos- small stuff, parti

Re: Nightmare Units

On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 2/14/00 5:16:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Beg your pardon Kg is a weight unit in metric and therefore convertable to > pounds >> > > > Sorry, Mass should not be confused with weight. Mas

Re: Nightmare Units

In a message dated 2/14/00 5:16:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Beg your pardon Kg is a weight unit in metric and therefore convertable to pounds >> Sorry, Mass should not be confused with weight. Mass and weight are two different quantities. Mass is a term used

NEWBIE WITH A RUBY

Friends, After some correspondence with Vance Bass and with his kind help getting over some initial problems with my Ruby, I'm on the list. Ruby is my second live steam locomotive - my first is a scratch built "dickins" based on the articles that appeared in "Live Steam" back in 1976. Some i

International Dutch steamup

Hello all, Sunday on march 19th 2000 a spring steamup will by held at the National motorcar museum in Raamsdonksveer. Between the old-timers model engine ers from Europe will demonstrate their models. This ranges from locomotives to stationary machines and everything in between. All in various

RE: Nightmare Units

I posted a translation table earlier, but for convenience, I'll do it again. http://www.wctc.net/~wallin/convert/cvert.html It goes right with what you say here. Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Clark Lord Sent: Monday, February 14,

RE: Nightmare Units

There's a conversion table at http://www.wctc.net/~wallin/convert/cvert.html which is the one I used to do the kg/cm2 conversion to lbs/sq.in. As a newbie live steamer, neither of them translate to anything meaningful to me since I can't see how 200lbs of steam pressure against a cylinder face of

RE: Nightmare Units

The published figures in Aster's manual. Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William F. Kaiser Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 9:51 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Nightmare Units On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]