RE: Digital Images

- Digital images don't wear out. > >Lee We will have to wait 100 years or so to see won't we? GaryB

Michigan law

Hi All Go to HTTP://www.state.mi.us/webapp/orr/admincode.asp?AdminCode=Single&Admin_Num=4 0804001&Dpt=CI&RngHigh=and read the entire law. These look to be the important parts of the law but you should read the entire thing. (22) "Hobby" means an interest or activity that a pers

Re: Driver Diameter.

Geoff, The tractive effort calculation cited by Mike Chaney is indeed a good first calculation. However, as you have surmised, there's more to it than that. The figure obtained from the formula is the calculated maximum tractive effort generated by the engine. To make use of that power, there

Re: How good is Alisan Shay?

Geoff Spenceley wrote: > > Hallo Zbigniew, > As I recall the speed was reasonably slow if controlled but like most of > our little locos, it could be raced. Question to Jim and Clark - can't the > valve motion be notched back Yes it can on this engine. I have attempted to do so without suc

Re: How much for an Alishan Shay?

Gary wrote: > In Eugene Toy & Hobby there is an Aster General and Alisan Shay. The > price here is $4,500.00 and $5,500.00, so I am very interested in the > price spread. I have no intention of parting with the money that is > mandated here. Let me know if any shays are for sale. Those prices see

Re: How good is Alisan Shay?

"Z.R. Struzik" wrote: > Hmm, the Aster manual/catalogue says that the pot boiler is an exception > and can be used without the fan. I am confused. If that is so then why is this engine equipped with a steam blower? I will run the engine tomorrow (Saturday) and see if I can raise steam without a

RE: Driver Diameter.

How Cheap? Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 2:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Driver Diameter. Nowdays they call those bits of metal "prototypes" or preprodu

Re: Driver Diameter.

Nowdays they call those bits of metal "prototypes" or preproduction models. I've got about 80 or 90 pounds of them available now!

Re: Driver Diameter.

In a message dated 2/18/2000 1:04:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You should see the amount of odd shaped bits of metal in my scrap bin! Hey Mike, just as long as the scrap bin doesn't get bigger than the shop we will all be all right. Bob

Re: Vulcan Iron Works- Vulcan Duplex

In a message dated 00-02-18 17:08:09 EST, you write: << Thanks Art, I would appreciate the duplex data. If there are photos, do you have a scanner? My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will also see if I can find the book. I am glad to see it was also in 3 ft gauge. I have been looking at it for

Re: Onion Stack answer

Someone else misplaced(or had stolen) his glasses! Jim

Re: Onion Stack answer

In a message dated 00-02-18 15:12:13 EST, you write: << This goes back to a conversation on Swamp Rats early in January on how to make an "Onion Stack" from a doorknob. The Link below was provided by Carl Malone. >> I saw that but mis read it, --- thought they said onion sack - DUH

Re: duplex- Vulcans answer to the geared loco

In a message dated 00-02-18 15:02:21 EST, you write: << < I also inquired about vulcan drawings and was told the drawings were too fragile to copy, plus the museum has no copying facilities. >> Maybe if you volunteered to take them to a commercial shop and have a set made for you and a s

Re: Vulcan Iron Works

It appears as if there were two seperate and different Vulcan Iron works. I guess because Vulcan of San Francisco went bankrupt in 1871 there would not be any point of you gentlemen in San Francisco Bay area looking for it. I may do a little more research on it when I am down there for the st

Re: Driver Diameter.

In a message dated 2/18/2000 2:48:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > As Keith rightly says, smaller wheels give greater torque. MIKE !! Finally, someone not telling me the inumerable ways I have found of being incorrect. I'm going to print this out and show my wife, she w

Vulcan Iron Works

In a message dated 00-02-18 09:52:29 EST, you write: << Bill Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Thanks for the information on Vulcan Iron Works, I guess that I will have to do a little more research to see if the two companies were connected.

RE: Vulcan Iron Works- Vulcan Duplex

Thanks Art, I would appreciate the duplex data. If there are photos, do you have a scanner? My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will also see if I can find the book. I am glad to see it was also in 3 ft gauge. I have been looking at it for LS20.3 I like the Walschaerts (sp) mechanism on an 0-4-0 confi

RE: (Fwd) Michigan

Vance... I certainly agree with Marc's point here... "... Your best course of action is to do nothing-keep your heads down and mouths closed is the word on the street. Marc Horovitz..." My comment about the Lobby situation however pertains to what happens AFTER the state decides it HAS the res

(Fwd) Michigan

What a coincidence -- I got the following from Garden Railways editor Marc Horovitz today. -vance- --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:31:12 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "M. Horovitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Driver Diameter.

Lee wrote:- > That REALLY rounds out the discussion on this whole power issue. I think I > now have enough info to actually think about a scratch build. Unfortunately, > no one can pass that talent on to me. I'll have to honk up one or two till I > start to get the hang of it. Remember:- "The h

RE: duplex- Vulcans answer to the geared loco

Ditto to this. Maybe you could even offer to have someone photograph them directly with a digital camera. If they're THAT fragile, it sounds like they need to be preserved permanently. Digital images don't wear out. Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE:Onion Stack answer

This goes back to a conversation on Swamp Rats early in January on how to make an "Onion Stack" from a doorknob. The Link below was provided by Carl Malone. Best answer I can think of is to show one... http://web2.airmail.net/cmalone/temp/rat2.htm I'd lower this one a little for the C&S, but i

Re: duplex- Vulcans answer to the geared loco

In a message dated 2/18/00 9:55:32 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I also inquired about vulcan drawings and was told the drawings were too fragile to copy, plus the museum has no copying facilities. >> Maybe if you volunteered to take them to a commercial shop and hav

RE: MICHIGAN BOILER INSPECTION LAW

Casey, As this hobby grows, (which it is), I think we may come to expect this more in the future. I see two solutions to the problem: 1. Make the manufacturers aware of what we are encountering and ask them to include boiler specs in ALL manuals. Once they know we have to have this to operate t

Re: Driver Diameter.

Mike. Thanks for the info. B^2 x S x P T.E. = -- lbs W Where B is cylinder diameter in inches S is the stroke in inches P is the effective steam pressure in psi and W is the diameter of the driving wheel in inches. I

Re: Speed observations

Thankyou Walt, Jim deserved this--trouble is; he probably loves it. Us oldsters (including you) will seek attention no matter what it take and how much we have to degrade ourselves!! With creaking connecting rods, Geoff. To the group: >While we all respect and revere these senior statesmen of

Re: How good is Alisan Shay?

Hallo Zbigniew, As I recall the speed was reasonably slow if controlled but like most of our little locos, it could be raced. Question to Jim and Clark - can't the valve motion be notched back-'fraid I don't recall how effective this was or if I even tried. Too many years --too many Asters--too m

LBSC's "The Live Steam Book" for sale

Friends, There's a copy of LBSC's "The Live Steam Book" being auctioned on eBay right now: There have been two copies sold on eBay in the last year or so, both in the $60-65 range. I got mine about three years ago from a book

Re: Vulcan Iron Works

If memory serves me this time, Vulcan was the God of Fire. Just about every state had a Vulcan Iron Shop, Blacksmith, Forge, Etc. Doesn't surprise me at all, those old timers worked over a hot forge to make most of these things. Walt

Re: Driver Diameter.

Check the local school system, sometimes they have adult education classes that will not only teach you how to operate the lathe, mill, etc., but allow you to make your own things on the machines.

Re: Driver Diameter.

Thanks Pat. It is what thought but I wanted to be sure

Re: Vulcan Iron Works

At 6:33 AM -0800 2/18/00, William F. Kaiser wrote: >White does not mention any connection between these two Vulcans. It would >appear that they were separate companies, although it is interesting that >the names were the same and products were similar and they started at the >same time. Coincide

Re: Driver Diameter.

Bob wrote: At the risk of sounding stupid (although a stupid question is one never >asked). What does the symbol "^" mean in this formulae? >Bob Bob, Not a stupid question. Since these most sophisticated computers we use cannot represent "superscript" it is the way we show "raising to the

Re: Driver Diameter.

In a message dated 2/17/2000 11:48:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > B^2 x S x P > T.E. = -- lbs > W At the risk of sounding stupid (although a stupid question is one never asked). What does the symbol "^" mean in this formulae?

Re: Vulcan Iron Works

In a message dated 00-02-18 09:35:28 EST, you write: << VULCAN IRON WORKS. San Francisco, California was established in 1849 for the manufacture of steam engines, boilers, and mining machinery. Eleven small locomotives were built between 1862 and 1869. The first of these >> Thanks B

Re: Driver Diameter.

In a message dated 00-02-18 07:02:04 EST, you write: << By the way, are all you scratch builders machinists with your own tools, or do you also do drawings which you take to machine shops to have other folks turn out parts for you? >> Lee If you plan on taking your designs to a machine sho

Re: How good is Alisan Shay?

In a message dated 00-02-17 21:15:10 EST, you write: << ..But ya know, an onion stack wouldn't look too bad on this guy... Lee >> Ok at the risk of sounding stupidwhat is an onion stack? I have seen them in the fields and in the grocery store but never on a locomotive. :-)

duplex- Vulcans answer to the geared loco

Harley, Vulcan made duplexes in gauges other than standard. I remember a 42" gauge loco and think there were others. I also inquired about vulcan drawings and was told the drawings were too fragile to copy, plus the museum has no copying facilities. I was offered to look at the drawings and

Speed observations

To the group: While we all respect and revere these senior statesmen of steam, we must keep in mind their physical and mental conditions in their present "state." It is entirely likely that Mr. Burns, while not in the presence of Shirley, may have noted the position of his shay on the track, le

How much for an Alishan Shay?

> > Well I paid $1900 USD for mine. It was not new but had seen light > > That is considerably less than what the shop asks (equivalent of some > 3000 USD) I have noticed them (used and rebuilt) a couple of times > in the past on the swap for around 2000 USD. But of course the guy in > the shop

Re: How good is Alisan Shay?

> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:32:39 -0500 > From: "James S. Burns, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The speed is slow > due to gears, but prototypical geared engines all ran slow. It looks > good with several log cars behind it. The gears give it good power, as > they did in real scale. I like mine. J

Re: How good is Alisan Shay?

Clark, many thanks for your extensive reply! Of course I noticed you with your Shay in your national steam-up 98 web coverage. > > I wonder how difficult it is to steam and to control? > > Mine runs just fine. The fire was too hot to suit me so I changed the > wicks from fiber strings to 100

Re: How good is Alisan Shay?

> In truth, that Shay is a fascinating loco to run, one of the most > impressive features is the very fine three cyl engine. I did not assemble I expected a great reproduction of the engine from Aster. So I'm glad you confirm it. > it from a kit but I believe it was assembled by the retail s

Re: DICKENS

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm glad you mentioned about the fire in the cab, this was my next question > to you, > I was wondering if you found a fix or if you just let it go. I just let it go. My purpose in building it was mainly to see how well an alcohol fired pot bo

Re: Vulcan Iron Works

>From "A Short History of American Locomotive Builders in the Steam Era" by John H. White, Bass, 1982: "VULCAN IRON WORKS. San Francisco, California was established in 1849 for the manufacture of steam engines, boilers, and mining machinery. Eleven small locomotives were built between 1862 an

MICHIGAN BOILER INSPECTION LAW

Friends, The March/April 2000 issue of Live Steam magazine has an article about the new law in Michigan (Rule 408.4512, to have gone into effect 1 Feb 2000) requiring state boiler inspection of all miniature live steam locomotives. The article states that this law applies only to steam locomo

RE: Driver Diameter.

Thanx Mike. That REALLY rounds out the discussion on this whole power issue. I think I now have enough info to actually think about a scratch build. Unfortunately, no one can pass that talent on to me. I'll have to honk up one or two till I start to get the hang of it. By the way, are all you sc

humour

THINGS COPS SAY The handcuffs are tight because they are new. They will stretch out after you wear them a while. Take your hands off the car, and I will make your birth certificate a worthless document. If you run, you will only go to jail tired. Can you run faster than 1,200 feet per seco

Re: Vulcan Iron Works- Vulcan Duplex

Harley, The Vulcan Duplex is covered in Donald Binns' book (ISBN 0.907941.10.9 Wyvern Publ.1985) on the Kitson Meyer locomotives as technically it is of this type ie. boiler mounted on a frame with firebox extending below frame level between two steam bogies, each bogie having its pair of cyli