Mike - Post WWII is when the diesel began to take over on the railroads . .
. I've got a 1938 edition which is probably 80% or better steam, and most
of that is about as developed as USA steam got. It includes the NW A
class and the Challenger and bunches of 4-8-4's, as well as the Union
Mike,
I've got the '41 by my desk and it's a great reference for steam. Maybe
100-150 pages of electric and or diesel.
Jim
JR: What are the chances for a comment on the future of the Quincy
Torch Lake #6, Anything still left of it? Some of us in Michigan sure
wish it was back here! David Krause
David,
Not a simple answer, in part because of the new boiler laws. Specifically
Appendix C of the NBIC which covers hobby and antique boilers such as ours
at NJMT. It is a good law, one I am truly in favor of, and that NJMT is
responding to. We took the Lady Edith out of service after starting
What is NBIC?
Mike Eorgoff
near Chicago
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David,
Not a simple answer, in part because of the new boiler laws.
National Board Inspection Code
They put out a great newsletter as well. Try http://www.nationalboard.org
Its an organization of boiler inspectors. The code has not been adopted by
every state. If Ohio had adopted it, those 5 people would not have been
killed in June 2001 at the Ohio
J.R., all,
From now on, I promise to do my fact checking in advance.
Indeed, five were killed in that tragic accident. I found a
version of the article at: www.ntet.co.uk/MedReport.html
I guess I didn't want to believe that individuals could be
that careless or ignorant when lives other than
Mike's correct -- it was two deaths, not five. And the cause, as I understand
it, was not an uninspected boiler but rather an operator who was chatting with
security guards (one of whom was killed in the explosion) instead of watching
his water glass. Even recently inspected boilers will
Hi,
Some time ago list members were having problems when switching to AOL v.6.
The Depot is considering upgrading to AOL v7.0. Have any list members made
the switch, and did you experience any difficulties i.e. compatibility with
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Hey, this concerns live steam INFORMATION
Sorry, Vance but you have been misinformed.
I previously read the report and reviewed it again.
Five people were killed.
The crown sheet was as thin as 1/16 and it was estimated it should have
been 5/16.
A post accident test of the modern safety valve showed it did not open at
all. Seals were
Not Chating with, being written a ticket by Sheriff's deputies. I used to ride the bus
(mass transit) with a fellow who knew the operator and was in the area at the time.
The operator was yelling that he didn't have time, and the deputy wanted him to wait,
then boom.
Terry Griner
Columbus Ohio
Ciambrone, Steve @ OS wrote:
Sorry, Vance but you have been misinformed.
Steve, You're right, and thanks for the correction. Early on, they were blaming
it on driver inattention, but it sure does sounds like this was a case of poor
maintenance and lack of safety inspection.
On a small-scale
There is an official report which I suggest you take a look at. It was five
killed. I have the report, the names of the dead, and pictures of the
ruptured vessel here on my desk.
Trust me, it was lack of inspection and mechanical failure of the boiler.
The safety valve never played a role.
Well, I stand corrected. I have always felt that folks who say I know this guy...
were a problem. Now I find I'm one if the problem guys... Sorry.
Head hanging low,
Terry Griner
Columbus Ohio USA
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There is an official report which I suggest you take a look
Guys,
If you need data on narrow gauge prototypes or something like that, let me
know. Like this boiler report, we tracked the explosion since the day it
happened. One of the best sites is www.rypn.org which is the old
Locomotive and Railway Preservation News site. I am not at my regular
Shoot, now I feel bad! Cheer up please!
J.R.
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Well, I stand corrected. I have always
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Have any list members made
the switch, and did you experience any difficulties i.e. compatibility with
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i have told anyone who switched to version 6 that they need to
respond to messages on the list by using the aol web site
Vance,
The final total ended up as five. And in fact, the boiler may have gone at
that moment due to inattention, but he fact of the matter is, amazingly,
that it had not blown up before! The end results of test showed that the
sheet thickness had deteriorated to an unsafe thickness long before
Dave,
Do you think that was an Apple/Windows problem? I have AOL5 and it is getting
fouled up. We were thinking of upgrading to 7 rather than change accounts
completely.
Walt
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i have told anyone who switched to version 6 that they need to
respond to messages on the list by using the aol web site rather than
the e-mail function of the application.
. but i don't think i'll
i tried loading version 7 on the softwindows partition of my mac
Several of you have asked me off line why my aol postings work. I'm using a
Macintosh computer. The latest version for Mac is called 5.0 and can send in
plain text instead of html.
Currently I'm using the new Mac OS X and
Don't know what I may be doing wrong, but I can't see any pictures!
Keith
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Keith:
They must be saved as big jpeg files because they're extremely slow to load
on my high speed connection.
Jim
According to the initial official report the crown sheet was woefully
thin in places and stays were wasted. If the boiler had've been
inspected it sounds like it ought not to have passed by some margin.
Either it was not inspected (I believe its home state is one which does
not require them) or
You can test the safeties with a cold water hydro test. Fill the boiler with
water and pump pressure in it. The safety should lift within 5 PSI of where
it's rated. The only thing wrong with this test is that it does not
guarantee that the safety will drop the pressure fast enough to keep it
Two associates that I work with made the switch to 7.0 and have had nothing
but problems -- system lock ups. I don't know what hardware/software they
are running on the PC's (not Macs) but I sure have heard a lot of groans.
Don
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Phil. Paskos wrote:
You can test the safeties with a cold water hydro test. ... This may be more
than you wanted to know, but it does answer the question.
No, it really doesn't. I wrote:
On a small-scale topic, do each of you test your safety valve while raising
steam? The British
Keep your aol5 Walt, those others are crap I really think that they are
trying to figure some way to make money or something from there email. I
expect them to start adding messages to the html mail anyday. aol5 works for
this list. Save your address book and favorites somewhere in
Vance,
I don't know what anyone else does, but having started in the somewhat
larger scales of 1/2 and 3/4 to the foot scales, I ALWAYS raise steam
until each of the safeties has lifted and shut before heading out onto the
track. I want to KNOW that they work. With the Aster CS Mogul, it is very
One note of caution... This trick won't work for a Ruby's stock safety as
the spring is on the high-pressure side. I haven't noticed any rust on it
though... haven't looked in a while either. ;]
Trot, the note-ful, fox...
At 07:48 PM 1/30/02 -0500, you wrote:
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before shutting off, at
Trot,
As always, one size won't fit all! But for those whose spring is out in the
atmosphere, it is a good little tip that cost almost nothing and can extend
the life of the safety valve. I would expect that the interior spring is not
subject to as much oxidation as one sitting out in the open
For any of you contemplating securing a delivery position for the
upcoming Accucraft SP Daylight and cars, Accucraft informed me (Alex, by
e-mail) that the minimum operating radius of the GS-4 locomotive is 8
feet, but the minimum operating radius of the Daylight cars is 10 feet -
so make sure
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I have AOL5 and it is getting
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I continue o run AOL version 5 and am very happy. Walt, have you considered
reinstalling your current version. Sometimes the platform just becomes
unstable.
On 30/1/02 at 2:20 am, Landon Solomon said:
One note of caution... This trick won't work for a Ruby's stock safety as
the spring is on the high-pressure side. I haven't noticed any rust on it
though... haven't looked in a while either. ;]
Trot, the note-ful, fox...
I have not used a Ruby
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