Re: [Standards] shared editing requirements

2007-08-17 Thread Joonas Govenius
On 8/17/07, Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is my first attempt at summarizing the requirements for shared XML editing applications such as whiteboarding. The use of must and should is approximate. Not all of these requirements need to be addressed by a single specification.

Re: [Standards] IMML

2007-08-17 Thread Daniel Noll
On Wednesday 08 August 2007 08:01, Alex Jones wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 23:08 +0200, Tomasz Sterna wrote: Dnia 07-08-2007, wto o godzinie 21:45 +0100, Alex Jones napisał(a): And this is exactly the problem. rsync -a /foo/ /bar/ find -name *foo* Correct way of rendering these

Re: [Standards] Removing PEP nodes?

2007-08-17 Thread Ralph Meijer
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 10:46 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Ralph Meijer wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 13:09 +0200, Magnus Henoch wrote: Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas Monitzer wrote: On Jun 15, 2007, at 20:07, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

Re: [Standards] IMML

2007-08-17 Thread Tomasz Sterna
Dnia 14-08-2007, wto o godzinie 18:45 +1000, Daniel Noll napisał(a): Then again, another way to do it is render them hidden. It looks mangled but when you copy the text they will still go into the clipboard It would make the parts when the attribute was applied unnecessary (code parts,

Re: [Standards] shared editing requirements

2007-08-17 Thread Boyd Fletcher
good summary. WRT: 19 and 20, by XML object are you referring to the entire document or a specific element? if the later, then the entire document is also required. For sending of the current state there must be a way to get the current state without sending all the changes made to get to the

Re: [Standards] Removing PEP nodes?

2007-08-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ralph Meijer wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 09:05 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Ralph Meijer wrote: [..] We used to have an explicit 'current' item identifier for the different extended presence specs, but these seem to have been removed. I always assumed extended presence to have a more

[Standards] storage:* namespaces

2007-08-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
The storage:* namespaces are ugly and wrong. IMHO we should get rid of them, and replace them with things like urn:xmpp:storage:bookmarks. At the same time we could upgrade the relevant specs (or replacement specs) to Standards Track. The following specs use storage:* namespaces: XEP-0008:

Re: [Standards] Removing PEP nodes?

2007-08-17 Thread Ralph Meijer
On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 09:30 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Ralph Meijer wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 09:05 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Ralph Meijer wrote: [..] We used to have an explicit 'current' item identifier for the different extended presence specs, but these seem to have

Re: [Standards] storage:* namespaces

2007-08-17 Thread Stefan Strigler
Am Freitag, den 17.08.2007, 09:50 -0600 schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: The following specs use storage:* namespaces: [...] XEP-0145: Annotations http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0145.html state: Historical / Active [...] I propose that we write new specs to replace XEP-0048

[Standards] Comment to rfc3921 pt 11.1 : handling of messages to ressources with identical priorities

2007-08-17 Thread cJ
Hi, I am wondering why the RFC (3921, 11.1) specifies If two or more available resources have the same priority, the server MAY use some other rule (e.g., most recent connect time, most recent activity time, or highest availability as determined by some hierarchy of show/ values) to choose

Re: [Standards] Comment to rfc3921 pt 11.1 : handling of messages to ressources with identical priorities

2007-08-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
cJ wrote: Hi, I am wondering why the RFC (3921, 11.1) specifies If two or more available resources have the same priority, the server MAY use some other rule (e.g., most recent connect time, most recent activity time, or highest availability as determined by some hierarchy of show/ values) to

Re: [Standards] Removing PEP nodes?

2007-08-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Ralph Meijer wrote: I know item identifiers must be unique, but I was saying here is that the XEP doesn't specify that a server needs to generate unique ids if the publisher doesn't provide one. OK we need to clarify that, then.

Re: [Standards] storage:* namespaces

2007-08-17 Thread Kevin Smith
On 17 Aug 2007, at 18:23, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Kevin Smith wrote: On 17 Aug 2007, at 16:50, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I propose that we write new specs to replace XEP-0048 and XEP-0145 I don't really know what's wrong with 48 - it's deployed, it works, and once it's updated to the new

Re: [Standards] Draft to Final

2007-08-17 Thread Mridul Muralidharan
Hi, A lot of these specs have seen quite radical change recently in comparison to the 'lifetime' of the spec. Particularly the PEP CAPS based specs. There are others which are fairly new (xmpp ping, pep, caps, etc), or lot of new changes have been added to them (pubsub, link local

Re: [Standards] Draft to Final

2007-08-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Fletcher, Boyd C. CIV US USJFCOM JFL J9935 wrote: I agree. We have gotten some heat in goverment circles about the draft status of xep45 and its dependencies. I assume if we make a xep final that all of its dependencies must be final? That seems like the right approach. Some of the

Re: [Standards] Draft to Final

2007-08-17 Thread Mridul Muralidharan
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Hi Mridul! Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Hi, A lot of these specs have seen quite radical change recently in comparison to the 'lifetime' of the spec. If we don't try to push some of these forward, we never will. :) + 1 ! Naturally we won't try to do that until

Re: [Standards] Draft to Final

2007-08-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Hi Mridul! Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Particularly the PEP CAPS based specs. In fact PEP hasn't changed since last September, although the documentation has changed. We should probably wait until is has been more widely implemented

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0189 (Public Key Publishing)

2007-08-17 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.6 of XEP-0189 (Public Key Publishing) has been released. Abstract: This document specifies how an entity may publish its public keys over XMPP. Changelog: More clearly explained node creation and key publication workflows. (psa) Diff:

[Standards] FW: [Simple] Chatroom Gap Analysis

2007-08-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
This may be of interest re: MUC. - Forwarded message from Adam Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Adam Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: XCON-IETF [EMAIL PROTECTED], '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Simple] Chatroom Gap Analysis As we discussed in Chicago, I have produced a gap