Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0301 (In-Band Real Time Text)

2013-05-30 Thread Mark Rejhon
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Christian Vogler < christian.vog...@gallaudet.edu> wrote: > 5. Is the specification accurate and clearly written? > > Yes. One of the best-written technical specs I have worked with. > Thanks for the compliment on XEP-0301 I couldn't have done it with all of you.

Re: [Standards] NetConf over XMPP

2013-05-30 Thread Yusuke DOI
Dier Michal, I'm interested in this activity in terms of machine-to-machine communication/configuration over XMPP. Regards, Yusuke (2013-05-30 16:04), Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello I'm working with protocol called NetConf (RFC 6241) now. The protocol can be used to configure devices r

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0301 (In-Band Real Time Text)

2013-05-30 Thread Christian Vogler
> 1. Is this specification needed to fill gaps in the XMPP protocol stack or > to clarify an existing protocol? > Yes. Real-time text has been a communication mode of choice for many deaf and hard of hearing people, as well as people in the mainstream, and it has been disconcerting to see it disap

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0301 (In-Band Real Time Text)

2013-05-30 Thread Gregg Vanderheiden
1. Is this specification needed to fill gaps in the XMPP protocol stack or to clarify an existing protocol? Yes - Real-time text is important for some applications and required for others (real time captioning). Regs are making it mandatory in some spheres. And XMPP should be able to be use

Re: [Standards] NetConf over XMPP

2013-05-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 5/30/13 1:04 AM, Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: > Hello > > I'm working with protocol called NetConf (RFC 6241) now. The protocol can be > used to configure devices remotely over something more standardized than web > interface or ssh & command line utilities (which is good for people but not >

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Chat Markers

2013-05-30 Thread Dave Cridland
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Justin Karneges wrote: > Message Stanza Profiles (XEP-0226) may possibly be relevant to this > discussion. It proposes that each message stanza should have a singular, > deterministic purpose. > Possibly, though I think this is largely a case of annotation to inf

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Chat Markers

2013-05-30 Thread Justin Karneges
On 05/30/2013 10:58 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: I was chatting with Matt earlier about this and related issues, and we tossed around the idea of a processing hints marker, such that a sender could indicate that there was no point archiving, or that carbons were useless (because the message used OTR

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Chat Markers

2013-05-30 Thread Dave Cridland
I was chatting with Matt earlier about this and related issues, and we tossed around the idea of a processing hints marker, such that a sender could indicate that there was no point archiving, or that carbons were useless (because the message used OTR, perhaps), or that the message was actually use

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Chat Markers

2013-05-30 Thread Matthew Wild
On 28 May 2013 21:44, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: > The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. > > Title: Chat Markers > > Abstract: This specification describes a solution of marking the last > received, read and acknowledged message in a chat. > > URL: http://xmpp.org/e

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Chat Markers

2013-05-30 Thread Spencer MacDonald
> > > > Why? Both sender and receiving server can reuse XEP-0203. > When chatting in real time messages dont have the "archive's" timestamp associated with them. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Philipp Hancke wrote: > Am 29.05.2013 10:40, schrieb Spencer MacDonald: > > IQ vs Message >> >> A

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Chat Markers

2013-05-30 Thread Philipp Hancke
Am 29.05.2013 10:40, schrieb Spencer MacDonald: IQ vs Message A message based approaches was considered as both chat states and delivery receipts use them, but it had the following disadvantages: - You lose the ability for the server to insert timestamps. Why? Both sender and receiving server

Re: [Standards] Enabling/Disabling Carbons and Chat Markers

2013-05-30 Thread Spencer MacDonald
I don't think it needs to know about resources, because like you said montague.lit can forward it onto the interested parties. For MUC the 'room' is in the chat marker so I don't think anything changes for this. Spencer On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Lance Stout wrote: > > On May 28, 2013,

Re: [Standards] NetConf over XMPP

2013-05-30 Thread Michal 'vorner' Vaner
Hello On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 09:43:43AM +0200, Steffen Larsen wrote: > I am not into NetConf, but is it not RPC calls? > If so, you can probably use XEP-009: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0009.html Part of NetConf is RPC, but from fast look at this XEP, it's different RPC (the elements used ar

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Chat Markers

2013-05-30 Thread Spencer MacDonald
I need what chat markers provides (synchronised delivery and read receipts across multiple resources) for a project I am currently working on (hence me proposing it). >From a previous thread there are already people implementing a custom version of this in production apps. Regards Spencer On T

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Chat Markers

2013-05-30 Thread Andreas Kuckartz
Are there already projects considering to implement this? Cheers, Andreas XMPP Extensions Editor: > The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. > > Title: Chat Markers > > Abstract: This specification describes a solution of marking the last > received, read and acknowle

Re: [Standards] NetConf over XMPP

2013-05-30 Thread Steffen Larsen
Hi Michal, I am not into NetConf, but is it not RPC calls? If so, you can probably use XEP-009: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0009.html -Cheers! /Steffen On May 30, 2013, at 9:04 AM, Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: > Hello > > I'm working with protocol called NetConf (RFC 6241) now. The protoc

[Standards] NetConf over XMPP

2013-05-30 Thread Michal 'vorner' Vaner
Hello I'm working with protocol called NetConf (RFC 6241) now. The protocol can be used to configure devices remotely over something more standardized than web interface or ssh & command line utilities (which is good for people but not for automated scripts). The protocol uses XML messages and de