Re: [Standards] [IOT] Comments on XEP0323

2014-02-17 Thread Peter Waher
Hello Emmanuel Thanks for your mail and all your comments. Sorry for the delay in the response. I've been away of a longer vacation. I'll try to address each one of your concerns one at a time: -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Frécon [mailto:emman...@sics.se] Sent: den 28 januari 2

[Standards] IoT device Discovery XEP

2014-02-17 Thread Peter Waher
Hello We're planning to start writing a new XEP proposal for IoT device discovery. I've received interest from a couple of people who wants to work on this. If anybody is interested in participating in this work, please let me know. The first proposal for the proto-XEP will be published in norm

Re: [Standards] SMS/Email Forwarding of Messages

2014-02-17 Thread Steffen Larsen
Yes exactly. Support of data forms etc. would be nice for setup and query. /Steffen On 17 Feb 2014, at 19:10, Simon Tennant wrote: > IMHO this is really something that should be in the push spec. > configure with numbers/email addresses > push events to "pusher component" > Services like "knowi

Re: [Standards] SMS/Email Forwarding of Messages

2014-02-17 Thread Simon Tennant
IMHO this is really something that should be in the push spec. - configure with numbers/email addresses - push events to "pusher component" Services like "knowing if delivery has gone through could be reflected in the to . This is how we solved it on the Buddycloud "pusher" https://github

Re: [Standards] BOSH patches, hopefully the last before final

2014-02-17 Thread Winfried Tilanus
On 02/17/2014 05:41 PM, Christian Schudt wrote: Hi, to: As SHOULD attribute in the initial session response: "'to' -- This attribute communicates the identity of the backend server to which the client is attempting to connect." from: "As soon as the connection manager has established a connectio

Re: [Standards] BOSH patches, hopefully the last before final

2014-02-17 Thread Christian Schudt
Hi Winfried, 1) I don't see the relation between the 'to' attribute and the "payload agnostic". 2) Where's exactly the difference between 'to' and 'from' in the session response? 'to': communicates the identity of the backend server to which the client is attempting to connect. 'from': identi

Re: [Standards] BOSH patches, hopefully the last before final

2014-02-17 Thread Winfried Tilanus
On 17-02-14 15:33, Christian Schudt wrote: Hoi Christian, > 'from' and 'to' is really confusing then and I don't quite understand the > slight difference. > > In my opinion, they should just be analog to: > > http://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6120.html#streams-attr-to That would by far the most logical

Re: [Standards] BOSH patches, hopefully the last before final

2014-02-17 Thread Christian Schudt
Hi Winfried, 'from' and 'to' is really confusing then and I don't quite understand the slight difference. In my opinion, they should just be analog to: http://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6120.html#streams-attr-to "For response stream headers in client-to-server communication, if the client included a 'f

Re: [Standards] SMS/Email Forwarding of Messages

2014-02-17 Thread Spencer MacDonald
Hi Steffen, I was at the summit and also thought that it could be added to the push notification XEP, but for SMS/Email you might want to: - Know what telephone number or email address the message was forwarded on to. - Know if the message has been sent/received/opened - Opt in/Out of paying for

Re: [Standards] SMS/Email Forwarding of Messages

2014-02-17 Thread Daniele Ricci
Hello Spencer, what about "extending" [1] XEP-0297 [2] to include something to enable/disable automatic forwarding? [1] by "extending" I mean either improving that one or writing another one which uses XEP-0297 [2] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0297.html On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Spencer

Re: [Standards] SMS/Email Forwarding of Messages

2014-02-17 Thread Steffen Larsen
I think you might look at the stuff we were discussing at the XMPP summit, namely push notifications. Lance stout have begun doing a XEP for this: http://legastero.github.io/customxeps/extensions/push.html It can prob. be used for SMS and email as well. Just another endpoint. :-) /Steffen On

[Standards] SMS/Email Forwarding of Messages

2014-02-17 Thread Spencer MacDonald
Is there any XEP that covers a message getting forwarded using another transport e.g. SMS, Email? If not would there be any interest in making a standard one? My personal use case is if the recipient is offline, the message can be forward to their phone as an SMS. Regards Spencer

Re: [Standards] compression attacks

2014-02-17 Thread Thijs Alkemade
On 17 feb. 2014, at 14:29, Winfried Tilanus wrote: > Signed PGP part > On 13-02-14 13:19, Thijs Alkemade wrote: > > On 13 feb. 2014, at 01:04, Peter Saint-Andre > > wrote: > > >> While working on draft-sheffer-uta-tls-attacks with Yaron > >> Sheffer this week, he pointed out to me that the TIM

Re: [Standards] compression attacks

2014-02-17 Thread Winfried Tilanus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 17-02-14 14:29, Winfried Tilanus wrote: Hi, > Thijs, can you explain this a bit more? As far as I understand > these attacks, they work when both a secret and data supplied by > the attacker are in the same compression context. Brain-fart, of c

Re: [Standards] compression attacks

2014-02-17 Thread Winfried Tilanus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 13-02-14 13:19, Thijs Alkemade wrote: > On 13 feb. 2014, at 01:04, Peter Saint-Andre > wrote: >> While working on draft-sheffer-uta-tls-attacks with Yaron >> Sheffer this week, he pointed out to me that the TIME and BREACH >> attacks might appl

[Standards] [PATCH] XEP-0124: fixing escaping

2014-02-17 Thread Winfried Tilanus
Fixing escapig in XML source of XEP-0124, all elements should be visible now. Thanks to Christian Schudt for reporting. --- extensions/xep-0124.xml | 4 ++-- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/extensions/xep-0124.xml b/extensions/xep-0124.xml index 9d3556f..3c6fd3f 100

Re: [Standards] MAM IDs

2014-02-17 Thread Kevin Smith
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Thijs Alkemade wrote: > > On 17 feb. 2014, at 12:02, Kevin Smith wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Thijs Alkemade wrote: >>> >>> On 17 feb. 2014, at 11:26, Kevin Smith wrote: >>> In MAM, stanzas stored get stamped with a MAM ID by the entity th

Re: [Standards] MAM IDs

2014-02-17 Thread Thijs Alkemade
On 17 feb. 2014, at 12:02, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Thijs Alkemade wrote: >> >> On 17 feb. 2014, at 11:26, Kevin Smith wrote: >> >>> In MAM, stanzas stored get stamped with a MAM ID by the entity that >>> stored them, and entities receiving them then receive thi

Re: [Standards] BOSH patches, hopefully the last before final

2014-02-17 Thread Winfried Tilanus
On 11-02-14 13:54, Christian Schudt wrote: Hi Christian, Thanks for reviewing the patches and sorry for the delay in my response. > 1. Session Creation Response: > My suggestions concerning the 'from' attribute obv hasn't made it :-(.. Well, > so be it. > But I found this sentence: > 'to' -- Th

Re: [Standards] MAM IDs

2014-02-17 Thread Kevin Smith
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Thijs Alkemade wrote: > > On 17 feb. 2014, at 11:26, Kevin Smith wrote: > >> In MAM, stanzas stored get stamped with a MAM ID by the entity that >> stored them, and entities receiving them then receive this. >> >> So a general question - are these useful? Are cli

Re: [Standards] MAM IDs

2014-02-17 Thread Spencer MacDonald
I just used XEP-0202 to get around the wrong time issue. I have only been to dealing with storing messages that people type and send, so the chance of multiple messages in (very) quick succession wasn’t an issue for me. Regards Spencer On 17 Feb 2014, at 10:55, Thijs Alkemade wrote: > >

Re: [Standards] MAM IDs

2014-02-17 Thread Thijs Alkemade
On 17 feb. 2014, at 11:26, Kevin Smith wrote: > In MAM, stanzas stored get stamped with a MAM ID by the entity that > stored them, and entities receiving them then receive this. > > So a general question - are these useful? Are clients going to ignore > them and just request all history since t

Re: [Standards] MAM IDs

2014-02-17 Thread Kevin Smith
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Spencer MacDonald wrote: > If you mean the archived element: > > > > I personally have not found any need for it. Thanks. /K

Re: [Standards] MAM IDs

2014-02-17 Thread Kevin Smith
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > In MAM, stanzas stored get stamped with a MAM ID by the entity that > stored them, and entities receiving them then receive this. > > So a general question - are these useful? Are clients going to ignore > them and just request all history sin

Re: [Standards] MAM IDs

2014-02-17 Thread Spencer MacDonald
If you mean the archived element: I personally have not found any need for it. Regards Spencer On 17 Feb 2014, at 10:26, Kevin Smith wrote: > In MAM, stanzas stored get stamped with a MAM ID by the entity that > stored them, and entities receiving them then receive this. > > So a general

[Standards] MAM IDs

2014-02-17 Thread Kevin Smith
In MAM, stanzas stored get stamped with a MAM ID by the entity that stored them, and entities receiving them then receive this. So a general question - are these useful? Are clients going to ignore them and just request all history since they last requested it anyway? /K