Re: [Standards] MAM and Pubsub

2015-02-03 Thread Dave Cridland
On 3 Feb 2015 11:58, Goffi go...@goffi.org wrote: Having a node attribute is defined in 313 as specifying you want to search a pubsub archive instead of another type of archive. I don't see the confusion. It's explained in XEP-0313, but I think it's a bad idea to use common terminology to

Re: [Standards] MAM and Pubsub

2015-02-03 Thread Goffi
On 03/02/2015 15:46, Dave Cridland wrote: We can work around this in namespace delegation by adding an attribute check in addition to namespace check, that would be better than sending back the traffic to the server, even if it complicate the XEP. I would still be more happy with an other

Re: [Standards] OTR

2015-02-03 Thread Daniele Ricci
Hello everybody, referring to commit: https://github.com/winfried/XMPP-OTR/commit/76a5cf06a3728e042740c0e30ba535e55b2613a8 I know it's still work in progress, but I want to start from there to say my two cents. I think encrypting the whole stanza can be avoided in some cases. Also, the only

Re: [Standards] OTR

2015-02-03 Thread Kim Alvefur
On 2015-02-03 11:07, Winfried Tilanus wrote: On 03-02-15 11:03, Ralph Meijer wrote: Sure it will be short. However, some notes on limitations and security considerations would also need to be added. If only to make it easier to compare against other e2e proposals. If you want to make a start

Re: [Standards] OTR

2015-02-03 Thread Goffi
Some clients do weird stuff like encoding XHTML-IM (which is probably not a good idea at all). Also a XEP should give some advices on what to allow, saying that history should be disabled by default, this kind of things. Also there is an OTR space-based discovery system which should be

Re: [Standards] MAM and Pubsub

2015-02-03 Thread Goffi
Having a node attribute is defined in 313 as specifying you want to search a pubsub archive instead of another type of archive. I don't see the confusion. It's explained in XEP-0313, but I think it's a bad idea to use common terminology to associate MAM with an other XEP, without namespace.

Re: [Standards] OTR

2015-02-03 Thread Bartosz Małkowski
Wiadomość napisana przez Daniele Ricci daniele.ath...@gmail.com w dniu 3 lut 2015, o godz. 12:20: The only problem here is how to recognise the encrypted data? Is it a text body or a stanza? Maybe we can use a type attribute to otr/, revealing more metadata? Or maybe we could add a header

Re: [Standards] OTR

2015-02-03 Thread Daniele Ricci
Of course, I was just talking about a deterministic way of describing the encrypted data - and to save bandwidth. Anyway the point of metadata leakage is valid. We (as in XMPP) do what we can and we encrypt what we can. Anonymity was never the scope of XMPP. Daniele On 3 Feb 2015 12:59, Bartosz

[Standards] GSoC 2015

2015-02-03 Thread Kevin Smith
Hi folks, A decision will need to be made soon (by Board) whether we try out for GSoC 2015 as the XSF or not. It’d be helpful to know Very Soon if we have interested mentors and projects available, so if folks are involved in running open-source XMPP projects and are able to commit the time to

Re: [Standards] OTR

2015-02-03 Thread Carlo v. Loesch
If you're interested in looking beyond the XMPP bowl there has been very similar discussion in the post-XMPP messaging list: https://moderncrypto.org/mail-archive/messaging/2015/001309.html Multiple devices and key synchronization

Re: [Standards] OTR

2015-02-03 Thread Carlo v. Loesch
On Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 02:22:33PM +0100, Ralph Meijer wrote: I think everyone in our community knows that XMPP, as currently designed, has no simple mechanism to obscure who's communicating with whom. Going into more detail, federation as in e-mail or XMPP has this problem in both extremes:

[Standards] Membership Application period Q2 2015

2015-02-03 Thread Alexander Gnauck
I have created the membership application page for Q2 2015 at: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q2_2015 The following XSF members have to reapply: * Yusuke Doi * Wayne Franklin * Artur Hefczyc * Wojciech Kapcia * Ben Langfeld * Arc Riley * Kevin Smith * Paul Witty * Andrzej

Re: [Standards] OTR

2015-02-03 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 03.02.2015 10:04, Dave Cridland wrote: On 2 Feb 2015 18:49, Peter Saint-Andre - yet pe...@andyet.net mailto:pe...@andyet.net wrote: On 2/2/15 5:22 AM, Hund, Johannes wrote: Since it was undisclosed that even the NSA seems to have problems breaking into OTR [1], it gained a lot of attention

Re: [Standards] OTR

2015-02-03 Thread Dave Cridland
On 3 Feb 2015 09:37, Florian Schmaus f...@geekplace.eu wrote: On 03.02.2015 10:04, Dave Cridland wrote: On 2 Feb 2015 18:49, Peter Saint-Andre - yet pe...@andyet.net mailto:pe...@andyet.net wrote: On 2/2/15 5:22 AM, Hund, Johannes wrote: Since it was undisclosed that even the NSA seems

Re: [Standards] MAM and Pubsub

2015-02-03 Thread Edwin Mons
On 03/02/15 11:05, Goffi wrote: G'day, I have an issue that I mentioned in Brussel to Matthew with using MAM (XEP-0313) for PubSub (XEP-0060)/PEP (XEP-0163). Today to query a PubSub node with MAM, we need to do (according to section 4): iq to='pubsub.shakespeare.lit' type='set'

Re: [Standards] OTR

2015-02-03 Thread Ralph Meijer
On February 3, 2015 10:37:14 AM WAT, Florian Schmaus f...@geekplace.eu wrote: On 03.02.2015 10:04, Dave Cridland wrote: On 2 Feb 2015 18:49, Peter Saint-Andre - yet pe...@andyet.net mailto:pe...@andyet.net wrote: On 2/2/15 5:22 AM, Hund, Johannes wrote: Since it was undisclosed that even the

[Standards] MAM and Pubsub

2015-02-03 Thread Goffi
G'day, I have an issue that I mentioned in Brussel to Matthew with using MAM (XEP-0313) for PubSub (XEP-0060)/PEP (XEP-0163). Today to query a PubSub node with MAM, we need to do (according to section 4): iq to='pubsub.shakespeare.lit' type='set' id='juliet1' query xmlns='urn:xmpp:mam:0'