[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0425: Moderated Message Retraction

2024-03-12 Thread Daniel Gultsch
Hi, It’s the editor with a manual update here. Our tooling couldn’t process PRPOSED->EXPERIMENTAL and an update in the same step.¹ XEP-0425 was updated. Here is the change log. * Remove the dependency on XEP-0422 Message Fastening * Rename to 'Moderated Message Retraction' and focus only on the

[Standards] Re: Remove requirement to send disco#info feature in XEP-0030

2024-03-12 Thread Dave Cridland
As others have said, it's a wart. Any protocol has lots of them; XMPP has always had its fair share. (You mention XEP-0045 briefly, and we're all familiar that it's essentially a collection of warts at this stage). This one is not, as far as I can see, harmful in any meaningful way. As Tedd Sterr

[Standards] Re: Remove requirement to send disco#info feature in XEP-0030

2024-03-12 Thread Guus der Kinderen
If I understand the suggested change correctly, it's mostly a cosmetic one. That, to me, is not worth risking relaxing a definition/restriction that we made in 0001 (which is quite the core of what we're basing things on). I'm in camp "let's live with the wart". - Guus On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 10

[Standards] Re: Remove requirement to send disco#info feature in XEP-0030

2024-03-12 Thread Matthew Wild
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 at 09:59, Dave Cridland wrote: > However, I could see the benefit of adding a note to the effect of: > > "Some entities are known not to advertise the > "http://jabber.org/protocol/disco#info"; feature within their responses, > contrary to this specification. Entities receivi

[Standards] Re: Remove requirement to send disco#info feature in XEP-0030

2024-03-12 Thread Kevin Smith
I agree that a note would be helpful, but we're only noting that bugged implementations exist, I don't think that even adding a SHOULD here falls within the spirit of the Final requirements. So I think the right thing to do is to add a note saying such bugs exist, but not change normative langu

[Standards] Re: Remove requirement to send disco#info feature in XEP-0030

2024-03-12 Thread Dave Cridland
I think advice and a recommended course of action promotes interoperability, and is backwards compatible. XEP-0001 also says such modifications must be optional; obviously a SHOULD is not a MAY here, but I think it's fairly clear that a decision to assume that an entity not including disco#info wit

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0313 (Message Archive Management)

2024-03-12 Thread Daniel Gultsch
Version 1.1.1 of XEP-0313 (Message Archive Management) has been released. Abstract: This document defines a protocol to query and control an archive of messages stored on a server. Changelog: Add XEP-0136 to superseded specifications (gdk) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html Note: Th