[Standards] NEW: XEP-0490 (Message Displayed Synchronization)

2024-03-26 Thread Daniel Gultsch
Version 0.1.0 of XEP-0490 (Message Displayed Synchronization) has been released. Abstract: This specification allows multiple clients of the same user to synchronize the displayed state of their chats. Changelog: * Promoted to Experimental (XEP Editor: dg) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-04

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0333 (Displayed Markers (was: Chat Markers))

2024-03-26 Thread Sam Whited
I very much think we should stop the trend of adding other comments in the title. This is better than a funny joke, but it's still something that's going to show up in citations. Let's just stick "note that this was previously known as Chat Markers" in the introduction somewhere and call it goo

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0333 (Displayed Markers (was: Chat Markers))

2024-03-26 Thread Andrew Nenakhov
We use Chat Markers extensively. For what it's worth, I think that it was a bad idea to remove to not replicate XEP-0184, because reading one spec is better for developers than reading two, and I'd rather revert changes back to 0.4 and deprecated 0184 instead. Also, Displayed Markers (was: Chat M

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0333 (Displayed Markers (was: Chat Markers))

2024-03-26 Thread Daniel Gultsch
Hi Sam and Andrew, I agree on the name. I felt like it was important that for the first major update after 7 years and for the last call notification people know what XEP we are talking about. However I will change the name either on the move to stable or on the next update (which ever happens fir

[Standards] Re: UPDATED: XEP-0333 (Displayed Markers (was: Chat Markers))

2024-03-26 Thread Dave Cridland
I entirely missed this, and have no understanding of the rationale, but: 1) I'm somewhat ambivalent about removing , but it's certainly well implemented by my anecdotological studies. 2) Removing seems OK, but I've considered various use-cases for which an explicit, user-driven, acknowledgement i

[Standards] Re: UPDATED: XEP-0333 (Displayed Markers (was: Chat Markers))

2024-03-26 Thread Andrew Nenakhov
As I said earlier, some day down the road can actually be useful: > But I could see this feature useful for something like voice/video messages to indicate that it has been played by the recipient. At least, Telegram does have such feature (not in group chats though, there it makes no sense and w

[Standards] Re: UPDATED: XEP-0333 (Displayed Markers (was: Chat Markers))

2024-03-26 Thread Daniel Gultsch
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 1:11 PM Dave Cridland wrote: > 3) It's really not. Some clients and intermediaries need to know whether they > should expect a marker or not. No need to check this prior to sending a > , true, but useful to track missing markers afterward. > > Where was the discussion of

[Standards] Re: UPDATED: XEP-0333 (Displayed Markers (was: Chat Markers))

2024-03-26 Thread Andrew Nenakhov
Well, on the other hand, since the only scenario I can imagine using in the wild has significantly different semantics from readdisplayed markers, I think that this is not really necessary in this XEP. On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 at 17:34, Daniel Gultsch wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 1:11 PM Dave Cr

[Standards] Re: UPDATED: XEP-0333 (Displayed Markers (was: Chat Markers))

2024-03-26 Thread Daniel Gultsch
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 1:40 PM Andrew Nenakhov wrote: > > Well, on the other hand, since the only scenario I can imagine using > in the wild has significantly different semantics from > readdisplayed markers, I think that this is not really necessary in this XEP. The part I was considering br

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0392 (Consistent Color Generation)

2024-03-26 Thread Daniel Gultsch
XEP-0392 (Consistent Color Generation) has just been moved to stable by Council. The Editor will act on that later today. However council strongly believes that the feedback provided by Stephen Paul Weber should be addressed with the following two action items: - make HSLuv a SHOULD, explain that

[Standards] REJECT: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-26 Thread Daniel Gultsch
Version 0.2 of XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas)) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines the term "Nonza", describing every top level stream element that is not a Stanza. Changelog: Defer due to lack of activity. (XEP Editor (jwi)) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0360.html

[Standards] STABLE: XEP-0392 (Consistent Color Generation)

2024-03-26 Thread Daniel Gultsch
Version 1.0.0 of XEP-0392 (Consistent Color Generation) has been released. Abstract: This specification provides a set of algorithms to consistently generate colors given a string. The string can be a nickname, a JID or any other piece of information. All entities adhering to this specification ge