Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0184 (Message Receipts)

2010-04-01 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
XMPP Extensions Editor píše v St 31. 03. 2010 v 17:57 -0500: ... URL: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0184.html Hi. The HTML seems to not have been updated. signature.asc Description: Toto je digitálně podepsaná část zprávy

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0234 (Jingle File Transfer)

2010-02-11 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
XMPP Extensions Editor píše v Čt 11. 02. 2010 v 18:06 -0600: Version 0.10 of XEP-0234 (Jingle File Transfer) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines a Jingle application type for transferring files between two entities. The protocol provides a modular framework that enables

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0234 (Jingle File Transfer)

2010-02-11 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
Peter Saint-Andre píše v Čt 11. 02. 2010 v 19:42 -0700: On 2/11/10 5:29 PM, Jiří Zárevúcky wrote: XMPP Extensions Editor píše v Čt 11. 02. 2010 v 18:06 -0600: Version 0.10 of XEP-0234 (Jingle File Transfer) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines a Jingle application type

Re: [Standards] XEP-0136 modifications

2010-01-17 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
Yann Leboulanger píše v Ne 17. 01. 2010 v 18:28 +0100: Yann Leboulanger wrote: Hi all, Alexander Tsvyashchenko and I discussed changes in XEP-136, and we wrote them in the XEP. Attached is a diff of the xep-0136.xml, and you can see the result here: www.lagaule.org/xep/xep-0136.html

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0273 (Stanza Interception and Filtering Technology)

2009-09-18 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
On 09/17/2009 04:15 AM, Justin Karneges wrote: On Wednesday 16 September 2009 18:23:32 Robert Quattlebaum wrote: mobile clients a way to silence incoming presence (presence hush), and give them a way to rebuild the presence state of their roster quickly and efficiently when presence it is

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0273 (Stanza Interception and Filtering Technology)

2009-09-15 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
On 09/15/2009 05:36 PM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: Version 0.1 of XEP-0273 (Stanza Interception and Filtering Technology) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension that enables a client to exercise control over the XML stanzas it will receive from

Re: [Standards] XEP-0237 Roster Versioning question

2009-07-18 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/18 Tomasz Sterna to...@xiaoka.com: On wto, 2009-07-14 at 13:21 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Agreed -- there is no harm if the server always includes 'ver'. I'll update the spec to say that. We once banned non-standard x/ subelements from roster items and now wish to allow

Re: [Standards] Initial presence. Was Roster changes

2009-07-16 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
I think there is one way to really solve the issue in question. As I understand it, the problem is that when user logs it, he doesn't know whether the contact is online or not. Sending all presences together is not an option, as it would require waiting for all the probes to respond. Now, I'm

Re: [Standards] Roster changes

2009-07-15 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/15 Pedro Melo m...@simplicidade.org: Hi, On 2009/07/15, at 08:36, Kevin Smith wrote: While we're discussing upgrading roster handling, can I put my request in for hanging arbitrary xml off the roster entries, please? Thats the only reason I could come up with to justify changing

Re: [Standards] Roster changes

2009-07-15 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/15 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/15/09 8:18 AM, Jiří Zárevúcky wrote: 2009/7/15 Pedro Melo m...@simplicidade.org: Hi, On 2009/07/15, at 08:36, Kevin Smith wrote: While we're discussing upgrading roster handling, can I put

Re: [Standards] Roster changes

2009-07-15 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/15 Jonathan Schleifer js-xmpp-standa...@webkeks.org: Remko Tronçon re...@el-tramo.be wrote: IMO, that would needlessly complicate things (duplicated functionality/information/...) at virtually no gain. cheers, Remko There _IS_ a gain: You won't get presences every few seconds for

Re: [Standards] Roster changes

2009-07-15 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/15 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: On 7/15/09 8:53 AM, Jiří Zárevúcky wrote: 2009/7/15 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: On 7/15/09 8:44 AM, Jiří Zárevúcky wrote: The only objectively broken thing is probably just the fact you can't be sure about the existence of incoming

Re: [Standards] Roster changes

2009-07-15 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/15 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: On 7/15/09 9:12 AM, Jiří Zárevúcky wrote: We probably first need to sum up the additional functionality we'd want in roster management. Arbitrary attached XML is the first and obvious one, which wouldn't even require a new protocol. Correct

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0260 (Jingle SOCKS5 Bytestreams Transport Method)

2009-07-15 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
Section 2.3 3. If both parties send a candidate-used notification but the candidates have a different priority, then the candidate with the lower priority shall be considered the nominated candidate. Shouldn't the candidate with *higher* priority be nominated?

Re: [Standards] XEP-0237 Roster Versioning question

2009-07-13 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/14 Tomasz Sterna to...@xiaoka.com: On pon, 2009-07-13 at 15:42 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:    Whether or not the roster has been modified since the version    ID enumerated by the client, the server MUST either return the    complete roster as described in RFC 3921 (including a

Re: [Standards] XEP-0237 Roster Versioning question

2009-07-11 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/11 Tomasz Sterna to...@xiaoka.com: I am implementing XEP-0237 in jabberd2 and I have a question. 2.3 Server Response Whether or not the roster has been modified since the version ID enumerated by the client, the server MUST either return the complete roster as described in RFC 3921

Re: [Standards] none + pending in

2009-07-10 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/10 Me Self wmso...@gmail.com: It looks like the explanation of None+ Pending in has been moved to appendix A.1 in bis and it now reads: None + Pending In = contact and user are not subscribed to each other, and contact has sent user a subscription request but user has not replied yet

Re: [Standards] none + pending in

2009-07-09 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
Hello Søren. Seems you are referring to the old version of the spec. Look at recent http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-xmpp-3921bis-00.html , many things are explained much more clearly there.

[Standards] Issue tracker for XEPs?

2009-07-07 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
Dne 7. červenec 2009 20:42 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im napsal(a): btw, is it OK to respond to the tickets on this list instead of commenting them directly? Sure. Indeed I prefer it. I just figured I'd test the issue tracker since that's what the IETF Tools Team has given us. :)

Re: [Standards] Issue tracker for XEPs?

2009-07-07 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/7 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/7/09 1:06 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: 2009/7/7 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: Sure. Indeed I prefer it. I just figured I'd test the issue tracker since that's what the IETF Tools Team has

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0051 (Connection Transfer)

2009-07-07 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/8 XMPP Extensions Editor edi...@xmpp.org: Version 0.2 of XEP-0051 (Connection Transfer) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension that enables a server to redirect connections from one connection manager or server node to another. Changelog:

Re: [Standards] Last Activity in initial presence

2009-07-02 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/2 Marcus Lundblad m...@update.uu.se: ons 2009-07-01 klockan 15:56 -0600 skrev Peter Saint-Andre: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/1/09 3:51 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: XEP-0256 talks about including last activity in auto-away notifications, which means I'm away

Re: [Standards] Last Activity in initial presence

2009-07-01 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/1 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: The same might be true of MUC room history (I am growing tired of receiving messages from yesterday when I join a quiet room). There is a mechanism to do this in MUC (see section 7.1.16 of XEP-045). The problem here is more likely to be the fact

Re: [Standards] Last Activity in initial presence

2009-07-01 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/2 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: On 7/1/09 4:07 PM, Jiří Zárevúcky wrote: 2009/7/1 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: The same might be true of MUC room history (I am growing tired of receiving messages from yesterday when I join a quiet room). There is a mechanism to do

Re: [Standards] Last Activity in initial presence

2009-07-01 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/7/2 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/1/09 4:18 PM, Jiří Zárevúcky wrote: 2009/7/2 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: On 7/1/09 4:07 PM, Jiří Zárevúcky wrote: 2009/7/1 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: The same might

Re: [Standards] Anonymous SASL and Presence

2009-06-30 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/6/30 Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net: On Tue Jun 30 16:20:25 2009, Jiří Zárevúcky wrote: 2009/6/30 Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net: On Tue Jun 30 15:33:35 2009, Matthew Wild wrote: It does. Anonymous users get given a unique (~random) JID, with an empty roster. So you /can/ send

Re: [Standards] Anonymous SASL and Presence

2009-06-30 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/6/30 Eloi Bail eloi.b...@gmail.com: To authenticate to a XMPP server, I must implement encryption. I wanted to test without it, to have a XMPP client as light as possible... I have to go strait to SASL with encryption so... Thanks for your reply ! Eloi Nope, you don't need to. You can

Re: [Standards] [xmpp] Modifying the schema for auth(RFC 3920)

2009-06-23 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/6/23 Joe Hildebrand joe.hildebr...@webex.com: Moving the discussion to the XMPP working group mailing list since this is RFC-related. It looks like Google's docs for this are here: http://code.google.com/apis/talk/jep_extensions/jid_domain_change.html Should the client just use this

Re: [Standards] Wording JID, FullJid, baseJID,...

2009-06-22 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/6/22 Bernhard zwischenbrugger b...@datenkueche.com: PS: I'm teaching that things and must be very correct. As all the other questions have been answered, I'd just like to ask one. Why are you teaching something you don't fully understand?

Re: [Standards] reliable messaging

2009-06-17 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/6/17 Remko Tronçon re...@el-tramo.be: It's possible, I suppose, that the remote client went offline before the message/, and came back online after, just in time to get the iq/, but it seems terribly unlikely, especially as you'd also see a presence/ update as it came back online. Well,

Re: [Standards] XEP-0199 -- implementation notes?

2009-05-29 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/5/29 Justin Karneges justin-keyword-jabber.093...@affinix.com: But yes, the advantage of XEP-199 is that it works with clients that may not actually support XEP-199. :)  For clients that aren't XMPP-compliant enough to return errors from unsupported iq types, the server could use a

Re: [Standards] Idle sreams in RFCbis

2009-05-25 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/5/25 Nicolas Vérité nicolas.ver...@process-one.net: Strictly speaking: - the sending entity does not detect the loss of connection when it sends whitespaces That's correct. - the receiving entity detects the loss of connection only if it has a mechanism that detects the absence of

Re: [Standards] Idle sreams in RFCbis

2009-05-25 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/5/25 Artur Hefczyc artur.hefc...@tigase.org: Hi, I would like to provide feedback on these two sections: 5.7.3.  Handling of Idle Streams http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc3920bis-09.html#streams-close-idle 12.7.  Whitespace

Re: [Standards] SIFT

2009-05-18 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
2009/5/18 Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/16/09 6:45 AM, Jiří Zárevúcky wrote: Hello. The filtering/intercepting functionality seems nice for IQ stanzas, but I have doubts about some of the use cases. Invisibility as defined

Re: [Standards] SIFT

2009-05-16 Thread Jiří Zárevúcky
Hello. The filtering/intercepting functionality seems nice for IQ stanzas, but I have doubts about some of the use cases. Invisibility as defined by this spec would certainly ease it's handling by both client and server, but is changes the meaning of available and unavailable presence stanzas.