Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-04-07 Thread Steffen Larsen
Hi Peter, On 03 Apr 2014, at 14:03, Peter Waher peter.wa...@clayster.com wrote: Hello Edwin Co. You seem to confuse Historical with Deprecated. Although the XEP is historical, the status is active. Furthermore, all servers I have used so far support XEP-0114: this is a core feature of

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-04-07 Thread Dave Cridland
On 7 April 2014 08:27, Steffen Larsen zoo...@gmail.com wrote: I completely agree about making XEP-0114 (external components) more suitable and secure like any other S2S scenario. Lifting it to a XMPP version 1.0 stage would be great, but would also break a lot of implementations. I'm not

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-04-07 Thread Philipp Hancke
The alternative is we just say Components are privately-authenticated S2S connections, and invoke BiDi and SASL auth and make it happen. This is functionally equivalent, but differs in that components are no longer special in any way (aside from near-mandatory support for XEP-0288), aren't

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-04-07 Thread Dave Cridland
On 7 April 2014 10:04, Philipp Hancke fi...@goodadvice.pages.de wrote: The alternative is we just say Components are privately-authenticated S2S connections, and invoke BiDi and SASL auth and make it happen. This is functionally equivalent, but differs in that components are no longer special

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-04-03 Thread Peter Waher
Hello Edwin Co. You seem to confuse Historical with Deprecated. Although the XEP is historical, the status is active. Furthermore, all servers I have used so far support XEP-0114: this is a core feature of most implementations. Actually, I do not. I am aware of the difference. What

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-04-02 Thread Lance Stout
Example: Consider 100'000 devices connecting to an XMPP server they've found somehow, and then need to find a Thing Registry to register themselves. One might be preconfigured, but I want to include the case when one is not. 100'000 devices cannot start looping through all possible JIDs and

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-04-02 Thread Peter Waher
Hello Philipp Thanks for your insightful input. My response to the main item: section 3.4: I don't think IBR should be recommended anymore. IoT requires automatic account creation. However, I agree it must also be secure, from the point of view of the server administrator, especially if

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-04-02 Thread Peter Waher
Hello Lance Thanks for taking the time to read the proposal and your input. My responses to your concerns below: Example: Consider 100'000 devices connecting to an XMPP server they've found somehow, and then need to find a Thing Registry to register themselves. One might be preconfigured,

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-04-02 Thread Steffen Larsen
Hi Peter et. al. Just a quick one about XE-0114 (external components): Most xmpp developers are putting their business logic there and its dead simple and every server out there supports it. + since its a protocol and can be run as client or server it makes it very portable and robust. :-)

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-04-02 Thread Edwin Mons
On 02/04/14 16:14, Peter Waher wrote: Hello Philipp Thanks for your insightful input. My response to the main item: section 3.4: I don't think IBR should be recommended anymore. IoT requires automatic account creation. However, I agree it must also be secure, from the point of view of the

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-04-01 Thread Philipp Hancke
Hi Peter, section 3.3.1 describes how to find an xmpp servers. The methods described there aren't limited to iot (at least the dhcp one), so it might be a good idea to split them off. Not sure how useful that is however. Ok. Can we break this out at a later stage? I agree it makes sense to

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-03-31 Thread Kevin Smith
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Philipp Hancke fi...@goodadvice.pages.de wrote: Am 13.03.2014 17:26, schrieb XMPP Extensions Editor: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Internet of Things - Discovery Abstract: This specification describes an

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-03-31 Thread Peter Waher
Hello Philipp Thanks a lot for the input, and taking the time to read the proposal. I'll try to address your concerns one at a time: section 3.3.1 describes how to find an xmpp servers. The methods described there aren't limited to iot (at least the dhcp one), so it might be a good idea to

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-03-31 Thread Peter Waher
From: Ivan Vučica [mailto:i...@vucica.net] Sent: den 27 mars 2014 19:38 To: XMPP Standards Subject: Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery Re: section 3.3.x Doesn't more choices for discovery mean servers and clients need to implement all choices? I'd go

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-03-31 Thread Peter Waher
Hello Kevin Thanks for taking the time to read the proposal, and come with input. I'll address your concerns one at a time: section 3.3.1 describes how to find an xmpp servers. The methods described there aren't limited to iot (at least the dhcp one), so it might be a good idea to split

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-03-27 Thread Philipp Hancke
Am 13.03.2014 17:26, schrieb XMPP Extensions Editor: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Internet of Things - Discovery Abstract: This specification describes an architecture based on the XMPP protocol whereby Things can be installed and safely discovered

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-03-27 Thread Ivan Vučica
Re: section 3.3.x Doesn't more choices for discovery mean servers and clients need to implement all choices? I'd go with the mDNS/DNSSD method only as it is already widely used for other discovery uses. DHCP may not be easily configurable by the XMPP server administrator. sent from phone On Mar

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Internet of Things - Discovery

2014-03-13 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Internet of Things - Discovery Abstract: This specification describes an architecture based on the XMPP protocol whereby Things can be installed and safely discovered by their owners and connected into networks of Things.