Re: [Standards] RFC: XEP-0045 MUC should not rewrite message IDs

2014-07-26 Thread Dave Cridland
On 26 July 2014 12:30, Georg Lukas ge...@op-co.de wrote: 3) In practice, nobody is relying on the uniqueness of 'id's anyway, because there are so many broken implementations out there. Two small points on this. Firstly, many of your other comments rely on the uniqueness and stability of

Re: [Standards] RFC: XEP-0045 MUC should not rewrite message IDs

2014-07-26 Thread Kurt Zeilenga
On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: On 26 July 2014 12:30, Georg Lukas ge...@op-co.de wrote: 3) In practice, nobody is relying on the uniqueness of 'id's anyway, because there are so many broken implementations out there. Two small points on this.

Re: [Standards] RFC: XEP-0045 MUC should not rewrite message IDs

2014-07-26 Thread Georg Lukas
* Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net [2014-07-26 17:09]: Firstly, many of your other comments rely on the uniqueness and stability of ids. An example is your (7) - this relies on all messages sent from the same occupant jid having unique ids. You'll probably realise some problems with this

Re: [Standards] RFC: XEP-0045 MUC should not rewrite message IDs

2014-07-26 Thread Dave Cridland
On 26 July 2014 16:53, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: This doesn't invalidate your arguments entirely, but it may well suggest that RFC 6120 has a technical flaw that needs addressing. That RFC 6120 text is

[Standards] RFC: XEP-0045 MUC should not rewrite message IDs

2014-07-25 Thread Georg Lukas
Hi, XEP-0045, section 7.4 http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#message states: Note well that for tracking purposes this service assigns a new 'id' to each message it generates (here using a UUID as defined in RFC 4122 [18]). I suggest changing that line to: The service SHOULD reflect the

Re: [Standards] RFC: XEP-0045 MUC should not rewrite message IDs

2014-07-25 Thread Kevin Smith
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Georg Lukas ge...@op-co.de wrote: XEP-0045, section 7.4 http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#message states: Note well that for tracking purposes this service assigns a new 'id' to each message it generates (here using a UUID as defined in RFC 4122 [18]).

Re: [Standards] RFC: XEP-0045 MUC should not rewrite message IDs

2014-07-25 Thread Waqas Hussain
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Georg Lukas ge...@op-co.de wrote: Hi, XEP-0045, section 7.4 http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#message states: Note well that for tracking purposes this service assigns a new 'id' to each message it generates (here using a UUID as defined in RFC 4122

Re: [Standards] RFC: XEP-0045 MUC should not rewrite message IDs

2014-07-25 Thread Philipp Hancke
Am 25.07.2014 um 09:22 schrieb Kevin Smith: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Georg Lukas ge...@op-co.de wrote: XEP-0045, section 7.4 http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#message states: Note well that for tracking purposes this service assigns a new 'id' to each message it generates (here

Re: [Standards] RFC: XEP-0045 MUC should not rewrite message IDs

2014-07-25 Thread Kurt Zeilenga
While I understand your rationale, I think it's counter to the rationale of why XEP 45 allows MUC services to generate their own id= attributes on stanzas they forward. As Waqas noted, the id= produced by the subscriber's client may simply not meet the services need for tracking. A service

Re: [Standards] RFC: XEP-0045 MUC should not rewrite message IDs

2014-07-25 Thread Kevin Smith
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Philipp Hancke fi...@goodadvice.pages.de wrote: Am 25.07.2014 um 09:22 schrieb Kevin Smith: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Georg Lukas ge...@op-co.de wrote: XEP-0045, section 7.4 http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#message states: Note well that for

Re: [Standards] RFC: XEP-0045 MUC should not rewrite message IDs

2014-07-25 Thread Matthew Wild
On 25 July 2014 18:24, Kevin Smith ke...@kismith.co.uk wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Philipp Hancke fi...@goodadvice.pages.de wrote: Am 25.07.2014 um 09:22 schrieb Kevin Smith: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Georg Lukas ge...@op-co.de wrote: XEP-0045, section 7.4