Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-13 Thread Matthew Wild
On 13 October 2013 16:46, Valérian Saliou valer...@valeriansaliou.name wrote: On Oct 11, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: Our server implementation (courtesy of Marco Cirillo aka Maranda) is also working well in production environment, with more than 300 unique users

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-13 Thread Valérian Saliou
On Oct 13, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 October 2013 16:46, Valérian Saliou valer...@valeriansaliou.name wrote: On Oct 11, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: Our server implementation (courtesy of Marco Cirillo aka Maranda) is also

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-11 Thread Valérian Saliou
On Oct 10, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Valérian, On 10 October 2013 05:56, Valérian Saliou valer...@valeriansaliou.name wrote: Hello everyone, I'm re-escalating my request for XEP-0313 update, which purpose is to bring a way to change the user's message

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-11 Thread Matthew Wild
On 11 October 2013 11:28, Valérian Saliou valer...@valeriansaliou.name wrote: Our server implementation (courtesy of Marco Cirillo aka Maranda) is also working well in production environment, with more than 300 unique users simultaneously using the module (and much more over a larger timespan).

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-11 Thread Michał Piotrowski
On Oct 11, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Valérian Saliou valer...@valeriansaliou.name wrote: Also, would be nice if someone could code an ejabberd and an Openfire implementation, this would really push clients forward to implementing it quickly. There is a pull request from Michael Uvarov

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-11 Thread Matthew Wild
Hi Michał, On 11 October 2013 12:17, Michał Piotrowski michal.piotrow...@erlang-solutions.com wrote: On Oct 11, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Valérian Saliou valer...@valeriansaliou.name wrote: Also, would be nice if someone could code an ejabberd and an Openfire implementation, this would really push

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-11 Thread Evgeniy Khramtsov
On 11.10.2013 20:28, Valérian Saliou wrote: Also, would be nice if someone could code an ejabberd and an Openfire implementation, this would really push clients forward to implementing it quickly. There is an implementation in commercial version of ejabberd. I wrote it, the issues with the

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-10 Thread Matthew Wild
Hi Valérian, On 10 October 2013 05:56, Valérian Saliou valer...@valeriansaliou.name wrote: Hello everyone, I'm re-escalating my request for XEP-0313 update, which purpose is to bring a way to change the user's message archiving preferences (something very basic, so that we keep things simple

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-10 Thread Spencer MacDonald
The Purge API is something that I have been looking for, but the spec doesn't appear to have any way of finding out what messages have been purged from the archive, which means the local cache cannot be synced up with archive without fetching it all. Spencer On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:27 PM,

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-10 Thread Matthew Wild
On 10 October 2013 16:22, Spencer MacDonald spencer.macdonald.ot...@gmail.com wrote: The Purge API is something that I have been looking for, but the spec doesn't appear to have any way of finding out what messages have been purged from the archive, which means the local cache cannot be synced

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-10 Thread Dave Cridland
On 10 Oct 2013 11:23, Spencer MacDonald spencer.macdonald.ot...@gmail.com wrote: The Purge API is something that I have been looking for, but the spec doesn't appear to have any way of finding out what messages have been purged from the archive, which means the local cache cannot be synced up

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-10 Thread Kevin Smith
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: But it's hard - I think there's a good argument for moving any purging and resync to a different spec at least, and keeping MAM simple in scope. Oh please oh please oh please, yes. /K

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-10 Thread Matthew Wild
On 10 October 2013 16:52, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: On 10 Oct 2013 11:23, Spencer MacDonald spencer.macdonald.ot...@gmail.com wrote: The Purge API is something that I have been looking for, but the spec doesn't appear to have any way of finding out what messages have been purged

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-10 Thread Simon Tennant
Also, expanding Spencer's point, other clients connected to the account would also need to be notified of the deletion - and they might be offline at the time. What about exposing the archive as a pub-sub node? That would take care of notifications and resyncing etc. S. -- Simon Tennant |

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-10 Thread Matthew Wild
On 10 October 2013 17:17, Simon Tennant si...@buddycloud.com wrote: Also, expanding Spencer's point, other clients connected to the account would also need to be notified of the deletion - and they might be offline at the time. What about exposing the archive as a pub-sub node? That would

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-10 Thread Kevin Smith
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 October 2013 17:17, Simon Tennant si...@buddycloud.com wrote: Also, expanding Spencer's point, other clients connected to the account would also need to be notified of the deletion - and they might be offline at

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-10 Thread Kim Alvefur
On 2013-10-10 17:52, Dave Cridland wrote: But it's hard - I think there's a good argument for moving any purging and resync to a different spec at least, and keeping MAM simple in scope. Yes, we like simple. If you want resync and deletion there's always XEP-0136 :) signature.asc

Re: [Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/10/2013 02:33 PM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On 2013-10-10 17:52, Dave Cridland wrote: But it's hard - I think there's a good argument for moving any purging and resync to a different spec at least, and keeping MAM simple in scope. Yes, we like

[Standards] Re-escalating update of XEP-0313: MAM

2013-10-09 Thread Valérian Saliou
Hello everyone,I'm re-escalating my request for XEP-0313 update, which purpose is to bring a way to change the user's message archiving preferences (something very basic, so that we keep things simple and respect the philosophy of MAM which is to remove the burden of previous message archiving