Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Pavel Simerda wrote: On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:16:45 -0600 Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMHO you'd get account/* from a bare JID and client/* from a full JID. /psa But then account/* should never send presence, no? Right, account/* is service discovery only, not presence. I wa

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-08-05 Thread Pavel Simerda
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:16:45 -0600 Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maciek Niedzielski wrote: > > Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > >>> I like the part that only client/* should be interpreted as > >>> IM-capable resources, but I don't know if that is too strict. > >> > >> That's probably

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Maciek Niedzielski wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I like the part that only client/* should be interpreted as IM-capable resources, but I don't know if that is too strict. That's probably too strict. At the least I think we'd say that the following identities are IM-capable: account/* clie

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-08-05 Thread Maciek Niedzielski
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I like the part that only client/* should be interpreted as IM-capable resources, but I don't know if that is too strict. That's probably too strict. At the least I think we'd say that the following identities are IM-capable: account/* client/* I always thought the

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Pedro Melo wrote: On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Pedro Melo wrote: On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Thu Jul 31 17:17:40 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: Moving forward, this would allow clever clients to observe that it wasn't a IM client capable of handli

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-08-04 Thread Pedro Melo
On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Pedro Melo wrote: On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Thu Jul 31 17:17:40 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: Moving forward, this would allow clever clients to observe that it wasn't a IM client capable of handling calendaring r

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-08-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Pedro Melo wrote: On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Thu Jul 31 17:17:40 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: Moving forward, this would allow clever clients to observe that it wasn't a IM client capable of handling calendaring requests, but a dumb calendaring bot working on behalf of

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-31 Thread Pavel Simerda
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:47:25 +0100 Dave Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu Jul 31 17:54:32 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: > > > >> On Thu Jul 31 17:17:40 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: > Moving forward, this would allow clever clients to

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-31 Thread Dave Cridland
On Thu Jul 31 17:54:32 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Thu Jul 31 17:17:40 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: Moving forward, this would allow clever clients to observe that it wasn't a IM client capable of handling calendaring requests, but a dumb cal

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-31 Thread Pedro Melo
On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Thu Jul 31 17:17:40 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: Moving forward, this would allow clever clients to observe that it wasn't a IM client capable of handling calendaring requests, but a dumb calendaring bot working on behalf of the user. Not f

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-31 Thread Pedro Melo
On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Thu Jul 31 17:17:40 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: Moving forward, this would allow clever clients to observe that it wasn't a IM client capable of handling calendaring requests, but a dumb calendaring bot working on behalf of the user. Not f

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-31 Thread Dave Cridland
On Thu Jul 31 17:17:40 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: Moving forward, this would allow clever clients to observe that it wasn't a IM client capable of handling calendaring requests, but a dumb calendaring bot working on behalf of the user. Not following. Clients could have an integrated calenda

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-31 Thread Pedro Melo
On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:40 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Dave Cridland wrote: On Wed Jul 30 13:55:56 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: The most important part of -1 resources are their caps. For example, I can have a calendar app logged in with my own jid, accepting some namespace for calendar update

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-31 Thread Pedro Melo
On Jul 30, 2008, at 7:25 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Wed Jul 30 13:55:56 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: The most important part of -1 resources are their caps. For example, I can have a calendar app logged in with my own jid, accepting some namespace for calendar updates or meeting requests. A

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-30 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed Jul 30 20:40:13 2008, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Dave Cridland wrote: On Wed Jul 30 13:55:56 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: The most important part of -1 resources are their caps. For example, I can have a calendar app logged in with my own jid, accepting some namespace for calendar updates

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Dave Cridland wrote: On Wed Jul 30 13:55:56 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: The most important part of -1 resources are their caps. For example, I can have a calendar app logged in with my own jid, accepting some namespace for calendar updates or meeting requests. Are you suggesting a sort of negat

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-30 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed Jul 30 13:55:56 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: The most important part of -1 resources are their caps. For example, I can have a calendar app logged in with my own jid, accepting some namespace for calendar updates or meeting requests. Are you suggesting a sort of negative disco feature wh

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-30 Thread Pedro Melo
Hi, (sorry to be late at the discussion) :) On Jul 27, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: It's possible this is just a UI problem. I remember chatting to Pedro Melo about this back in February, and I believe our conclusion back then was just that clients will start showing -1 as a non-chat

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-29 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Jack Moffitt wrote: 1. stanzas to the bare JID should not be send to this client because no user will read it. Use message storage or whatever a server may do with such a message. Agreed, and this required by RFC 3921. (Section 11.1 Rule 4.1). 2. stanzas to the full JID should be send

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-29 Thread Jack Moffitt
> 1. stanzas to the bare JID should not be send to this client > because no user will read it. Use message storage or whatever a > server may do with such a message. Agreed, and this required by RFC 3921. (Section 11.1 Rule 4.1). > 2. stanzas to the full JID should be send to this client.

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-28 Thread Dirk Meyer
"Jack Moffitt" wrote: >>> It's possible this is just a UI problem. >> >> I remember chatting to Pedro Melo about this back in February, and I >> believe our conclusion back then was just that clients will start >> showing -1 as a non-chat resource, or somesuch, depending on how >> general usage pan

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-27 Thread Kevin Smith
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Jack Moffitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jabberd2 and Google Talk both refuse to send presence to resources at > priority -1. This is fatal for us with Speeqe since this means you > will never receive muc presence from the room. I haven't tested this > yet with P

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-27 Thread Jack Moffitt
>> It's possible this is just a UI problem. > > I remember chatting to Pedro Melo about this back in February, and I > believe our conclusion back then was just that clients will start > showing -1 as a non-chat resource, or somesuch, depending on how > general usage pans out Ok, fair enough, but

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-27 Thread Kevin Smith
> It's possible this is just a UI problem. I remember chatting to Pedro Melo about this back in February, and I believe our conclusion back then was just that clients will start showing -1 as a non-chat resource, or somesuch, depending on how general usage pans out /K

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-25 Thread Joe Hildebrand
It's possible this is just a UI problem. http://blog.jabber.com/filaments/2008/03/11/priority-1-presence/ -1 resources should be included in the probe response. On Jul 24, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Jack Moffitt wrote: At XMPP Summit 5 this past week it became clear that lots of people are using or a

[Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-07-24 Thread Jack Moffitt
At XMPP Summit 5 this past week it became clear that lots of people are using or are planning to use presence priorities of -1 to allow specialized clients access to various XMPP resources. At Speeqe we do this so that our MUC client doesn't steal private messages. I believe that Fritzy at Seesmi