Re: Struts-EL: Status and moving forward

2002-09-17 Thread V. Cekvenich
I think this is great that you did this and a great contribution.!!! I would like to test it in basicPortal.sf.net when you have something that can deploy. How best to get your work? I am sure you could host CVS/files anywhere but basicPortal.sf.net is one place, or if you are a commiter here

Re: [Forward-Looking] Struts and JavaServer Faces

2002-09-18 Thread V. Cekvenich
For what it is worth: After looking at the actual code examples vs the early rumors and speculations and my jumping to conclusions, I found MUCH to like about the actual JSF samples posted in Developers Connection Early Release. My apologies for the prior flame posts! basicPortal for one will

Re: VOTE: Behavior of Validator

2002-09-19 Thread V. Cekvenich
+1 and thanks V. James Turner wrote: > As currently written, the Validator has what I consider a quirk. > > Suppose you have two fields, username and password. Username has > "depends=required" and password has "depends=required.notgod" (where > notgod is a test that makes sure that the u

HTML-EL

2002-10-02 Thread V. Cekvenich
I am lazy, so feel free not to answer since I can loook it up in source. It is easier to ask I say as a "newbie": Did the html-el tag extend html tag so changes in html tag are propogated or did it fork? .V -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-m

Re: HTML-EL

2002-10-02 Thread V. Cekvenich
Very Cool! Karr, David wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: V. Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:22 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: HTML-EL >> >> >>I am lazy, so feel free not to answer sinc

Build has 2 tiles dtds

2002-10-09 Thread V. Cekvenich
(I know I shouuld put in bugzila ) but it's a build. There is tiles.dtd and tiles1.1.dtd in nighly build. I assume tiles.dtd. is the older one. .V -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail:

Official bug list

2002-10-16 Thread V. Cekvenich
There are many ways to run bugzlia report list. Can someone post the developer official Struts 1.1 list for the people that want to help work on a bug and submit solution code to bugzila. I see 90 "bugs", but if you can "help us help you". So a semi official list of real bugs, including commons

Re: Official bug list

2002-10-16 Thread V. Cekvenich
+2&version=Nightly+Build&version=Unknown&short_desc=&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&keywords=&keywords_type=anywords&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=&

Re: Tiles Refactorings for 1.1 compatability

2002-10-16 Thread V. Cekvenich
+1 by a non committee on M.C. vetoing new features. Can you wait till 1.2 Ted? .V Martin Cooper wrote: > >>-Original Message- >>From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:23 AM >>To: Struts Developers List >>Subject: Re: Tiles Refactorings for 1.1

Re: Tiles Refactorings for 1.1 compatability

2002-10-16 Thread V. Cekvenich
Just of the box... Ted, others, what if we just delayed subapps till after? .V Byrne, Steven wrote: > Definitely a big part of what 1.1 is all about is integrating Tiles and > Validator into the main Struts distribution. Pulling them back into > pseudo-contrib status would not be a good thing.

Re: Terminology: modules versus sub-apps

2002-10-16 Thread V. Cekvenich
Agree. I like sub-apps too. .V Byrne, Steven wrote: > I think it would be best if we reserved the term "modules" for the > future; in almost all respects, the Struts apps that are referenced by > some path off the context root are really little web applications > themselves, hence the term "sub

Re: Tiles Refactorings for 1.1 compatability

2002-10-18 Thread V. Cekvenich
Alternative is (not at all sure better) is to have soap (similar to way http does) call action, and not have JSP emit XML. Beans are already string properties, easy to make an collection of xml. The JSP people could do JSTL X: Transform (and... as some know I look for way to do transform in brow

Bug reward $

2002-10-20 Thread V. Cekvenich
I will send via pay pal $135 to each person that fixes at least one bug and e-mails me that they did + a link to bugzila, up to the first 6 real bugs, which is about 10% of bugs. (maybe a few more companies help focus funds on the release). I know itÂ’s not much, but support can start someplace,

Re: Bug reward $

2002-10-21 Thread V. Cekvenich
fort, to make struts the great product that it is. I have learned a great deal from you guys. Dave Derry - Original Message - From: "V. Cekvenich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: Bug reward $ I will se

Re: Zero-copy persistence with Struts?

2002-10-28 Thread V. Cekvenich
Craig R. McClanahan wrote: On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Frederico Schuh wrote: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Frederico Schuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Zero-copy persist

Re: Struts IRC Channel

2002-10-28 Thread V. Cekvenich
Also, if a question is answered, at least in theory you can say "Search the mail archive for post X" and thus preserving the knowledge. .V Martin Cooper wrote: +1 on staying away from IRC. IMHO, IRC fragments the community we have on the lists. It also lessens the pool of people who can answer

Re: Struts taglib

2002-11-01 Thread V. Cekvenich
More "religion"? "An architect is done not when he has nothing more to add, but when he has nothing left to remove". I heard this on a PBS show related to buildings, but I spent my 2nd 7 years in SD (Software Development) trying to simplify (much harder to simplify. Anyway, my initial attractio

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: Struts taglib

2002-11-02 Thread V. Cekvenich
-like to COM+ or Dynabeans. (There might be a way to write a dynabean in C#) Thats Model 2. .V Craig R. McClanahan wrote: On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, V. Cekvenich wrote: "An architect is done not when he has nothing more to add, but when he has nothing left to remove". OK, so l

OT - XFORMS Tag:

2002-11-13 Thread V. Cekvenich
One day form processing will be done like this: 1. XForms 1.0 has become a W3C Candidate Recommendation. 2. J2EE server has pre-view: * http://help.silverstream.com/help/XFormsTutorial/ * 3. Here is a plug in for IE: http://www.FormsPlayer.com just fyi, anyone planing long term direction. .

IDE wars, was: Re: Replacing Action.* with Globals.******** README*********

2002-11-13 Thread V. Cekvenich
Eclipse +1 because of the price. Netbeans is to big. I use Eclipse with VIM.org. VIM.org (vi) does GUI XHTML and JSP, and anytime I am confused and need javac. Both run in XWindows. And only thing better than InteliJ is Omnicore CodeGuide! .V David Graham wrote: I haven't shown Eclipse to o

Re: Does the /do/* will be supported with modules

2002-11-20 Thread V. Cekvenich
The other things with the prefix, is that it maps nicely with CMA security for the modules. Ex: Only users in the Admin role can go to /admin/*. etc. .V OT: pet peve: Since the struts example show login via code (the wrong way) Every Struts book, save Teds and FastTrack, shows the wrong way to

Re: subclassing frustrations

2002-12-06 Thread V. Cekvenich
Here is how I have done actions, and yes they are an interface, repost from user list: From basicPortal, using disptaching (it also uses event object to encsulate response,request, forward, formbean, etc.): protected Object dispatchEvents(ActionEvent ae) { String parm = ae.getReq().getParameter(

Re: Why struts is looked down upon...

2002-12-06 Thread V. Cekvenich
My Comments IN-LINE CAPS: * Struts is not very powerful. There's no action chaining; all of the models are one layer deep. STRUTS IS LIGHT WEIGHT, FAST AND EASY. AND LIKE HE SAID ON TOP, VERY POPULAR. * Struts is bound to the web. You can't use it outside of the context of a servlet eng

Re: Why struts is looked down upon...

2002-12-06 Thread V. Cekvenich
Oh, and his comments about Jakarta marketing, will make the Jakarta marketing department very proud. Let me just forward this to the Jakarta marketing. .V V. Cekvenich wrote: My Comments IN-LINE CAPS: * Struts is not very powerful. There's no action chaining; all of the models ar

Re: Action chaining: (was - Re: Why are people up on Struts)

2002-12-12 Thread V. Cekvenich
Eric, my actions do CRUD + default. So I have onSave(), onDelete, onDisplay, onDefault, etc. on set of actions that relate to he JSP. So in onDelete(EventObj event) I do this { .. bean.delete(); onDisplay(event); // on display does bean.find() } hth, .V Erik Hatcher wrote: Ted Husted wrote:

Re: Action chaining: (was - Re: Why are people up on Struts)

2002-12-12 Thread V. Cekvenich
chaining methodology I'd create a different action mapping pointing to the same Java Action and just have a different forward. How would you accomplish this same thing? Erik (with a "k") V. Cekvenich wrote: Eric, my actions do CRUD + default. So I have onSave(), onDelete, onDispla

Re: Action chaining: (was - Re: Why are people up on Struts)

2002-12-12 Thread V. Cekvenich
I too get unsure what bus. logic is. But I am all +1 that you have a "good" practice example. I think it is text book as to what is action and what is not. (if / then ) But that is not chaining. To me chaining means that you have a series of workflow processing that you solve... oh wait. con

Re: Action Organization (was: Action chaining)

2002-12-12 Thread V. Cekvenich
If you say it this way then... this is what I do, in case I did not make it clear: I have a baseAction (of course). The concrete actions, for example UserAction has { onDelete(){} onSave(){} onDisplayList() {} onInsert() {} } The baseAction dispatches execute event. In some cases those events go

Re: Proposed: logic:else clause

2003-01-03 Thread V. Cekvenich
The onlye thing that most html-el tags need to be modified to support indexed property in JSTL, so we can do multi row updates. But that is post 1.1 I am sure. .V Hal Deadman wrote: I think the faster everyone moves from "logic" tags to JSTL the happier everyone will be. The JSTL choose tag alre

Re: Proposed: logic:else clause

2003-01-03 Thread V. Cekvenich
maybe even in JSTL, if Struts one day decides to move to JSTL instead of logic. .V David M. Karr wrote: "V" == V Cekvenich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: V> The onlye thing that most html-el tags need to be modified to support indexed V> property in JSTL, so we ca

Re: Another bright idea, make "indexed" work with JSTL forEach and friends

2003-01-05 Thread V. Cekvenich
Craig wrote : "I'm playing with more interesting ideas like using Jelly scripts (or JSP pages) as Actions so you don't have to write them in Java. " If Actions, or anything goes XML (Jelly), or JSP, EL or generator (or sometimes design patterns) we lose OO. OO gives us productivity as Java i

Re: Another bright idea, make "indexed" work with JSTL forEach and friends

2003-01-05 Thread V. Cekvenich
Oh. Yeah, tiles XML is "OO". Thanks for the correction! .V Martin Cooper wrote: On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, V. Cekvenich wrote: Craig wrote : "I'm playing with more interesting ideas like using Jelly scripts (or JSP pages) as Actions so you don't have to write them in

Re: Beta 3 PlugIn interface change

2003-01-06 Thread V. Cekvenich
FYI: Struts menu is aware that plug in services was changed a bit. Very useful is Struts menu (hint). .V David Morris wrote: David, My mistake, I didn't realize that ApplicationConfig was not available as part of 1.0.X. For consistency, I would recommend removing ApplicationConfig references

Re: Beta 3 PlugIn interface change

2003-01-07 Thread V. Cekvenich
ittle, he might even push out a new release ;-) Matt -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of V. Cekvenich Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Beta 3 PlugIn interface change FYI: Struts menu is aware that plug in ser

Repost from users list: Re: Axis/SOAP proposal for Struts

2003-01-17 Thread V. Cekvenich
+1. And also XML RPC called via JavaScript from a browser w/o a submit. (To me, any time you call an "action" before a bean == Struts) Already in 1.1 execute() signature is a bit different for tiles action then "Struts" action. But maybe post on dev list for suggestions? (or even put sample

Re: [VOTE] Declare Struts 1.1b3 as Struts 1.1 RC1

2003-01-19 Thread V. Cekvenich
Ahh how hard is to release a nightly + 8 bugs as a RCx first or rename B3 as RC1? I (and I suspect some other users) did not treat the B3 as I should. This kind of says to users its going out, and they have only a short time to test their apps. Normaly I test fast, but I did not test B3 (w

Re: [VOTE] Declare Struts 1.1b3 as Struts 1.1 RC1

2003-01-20 Thread V. Cekvenich
that B3 is pretty much RC and to get going. It has not been released for so long that everyone is asleep. .V Martin Cooper wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, V. Cekvenich wrote: Ahh how hard is to release a nightly + 8 bugs as a RCx first or rename B3 as RC1? Perhaps surprisingly, other than

Re: Axis4Struts package names

2003-01-21 Thread V. Cekvenich
sf.net +1 And ... I realy would like at least some debate about action as an interface so other things can be MVCed. .V I thought the convention for SF-based Java projects was net.sf. or something like that? If the code is later migrated into Struts and/or Axis, package names changes are

Re: Synchronized blocks?

2003-01-28 Thread V. Cekvenich
Best site on collections and threads: http://gee.cs.oswego.edu/dl/classes/collections/ by Doug Lea .V David Graham wrote: Maybe I'm displaying gross ignorance here but AFAIK a synchronized block grabs the object's monitor and blocks other threads from calling *synchronized* methods on that

Very OT: Java Reflection?

2003-01-29 Thread V. Cekvenich
Someone care to help me out on OT reflection? Here is the situation: My base class has a reflection (in execute) that does this : Method eventMethod = this.getClass().getMethod(methodName, args); and same class has onDefaultExec() {} (or full code here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs

Re: Very OT: Java Reflection?

2003-01-29 Thread V. Cekvenich
Never mind, the base method had error, works as per Java. V. Cekvenich wrote: Someone care to help me out on OT reflection? Here is the situation: My base class has a reflection (in execute) that does this : Method eventMethod = this.getClass().getMethod(methodName, args); and same class has