Re: Fwd: Two more rebreather patches

2014-11-04 Thread Dirk Hohndel
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 10:01:05AM +0100, Robert Helling wrote: > > I think these two patches have not yet been applied. Sorry about that. I like the first one, the second one is marginal but it should have no negative impact, so I took it. It didn't apply but was easy to fix. Still, please doubl

Fwd: Two more rebreather patches

2014-11-04 Thread Robert Helling
Hi,I think these two patches have not yet been applied.BestRobertBegin forwarded message:From: Robert Helling Subject: Two more rebreather patchesDate: 24. Oktober 2014 16:48:34 MESZTo: subsurface@subsurface-divelog.orgHi,since we seem to be going towards planning for rebreathers as

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-28 Thread Rodrigo Severo
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Paul Sargent wrote: > > On 27 Oct 2014, at 17:56, Rodrigo Severo wrote: > >>> For example: A one hour dive should be 20bar (60 litres) out of a standard 3 >>> litre cylinder - just calculating 1 litre a minute. That's just way off. I >>> always use about ~50 bar o

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-28 Thread Paul Sargent
On 27 Oct 2014, at 17:56, Rodrigo Severo wrote: >> For example: A one hour dive should be 20bar (60 litres) out of a standard 3 >> litre cylinder - just calculating 1 litre a minute. That's just way off. I >> always use about ~50 bar on a ~40 metre dive, so I tend to make sure I've >> got at lea

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-28 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2014-10-27 15:52:59 -0700] Dirk Hohndel: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 08:14:44PM +0100, Anton Lundin wrote: > > On 27 October, 2014 - Gaetan Bisson wrote: > > > > > [2014-10-24 16:48:34 +0200] Robert Helling: > > > > what happened to Gaetan’s attempts at coming up with a UI > > > > implementation?

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Dirk Hohndel
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 08:14:44PM +0100, Anton Lundin wrote: > On 27 October, 2014 - Gaetan Bisson wrote: > > > [2014-10-24 16:48:34 +0200] Robert Helling: > > > what happened to Gaetan’s attempts at coming up with a UI implementation? > > > > I wanted to do something basic and Anton convinced m

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Tomaz Canabrava
Tell me what you want for the ui and I can try. Em 27/10/2014 17:00, "Gaetan Bisson" escreveu: > [2014-10-24 16:48:34 +0200] Robert Helling: > > what happened to Gaetan’s attempts at coming up with a UI implementation? > > I wanted to do something basic and Anton convinced me that would be a > sh

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Anton Lundin
On 27 October, 2014 - Gaetan Bisson wrote: > [2014-10-24 16:48:34 +0200] Robert Helling: > > what happened to Gaetan’s attempts at coming up with a UI implementation? > > I wanted to do something basic and Anton convinced me that would be a > shame and something much better should be done instead

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2014-10-24 16:48:34 +0200] Robert Helling: > what happened to Gaetan’s attempts at coming up with a UI implementation? I wanted to do something basic and Anton convinced me that would be a shame and something much better should be done instead. Since GUIs are the complete opposite to my area of e

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Rodrigo Severo
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Paul Sargent wrote: > > Certainly for the moment I'd keep it simple. Personally I'd favour no > numbers, rather than wrong ones, so I'd forget about computing constant rate > O2 usage. It's just not that useful IMHO. It's too far removed from the > amount of O2 I u

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Paul Sargent
On Oct 27, 2014, at 06:10 PM, Rodrigo Severo wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Paul Sargent wrote: > Without knowing has much gas is in the loop (note: not counter lung size, > which is part of the maximum loop volume) you can't know how much diluent to > add to maintain it*. > > Examp

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Rodrigo Severo
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Dirk Hohndel wrote: > > With the benefit of absolutely know subject matter expertize, I think what > would make sense is to smooth out the depth graph. Something like a > gliding average across one minute - that should remove jitter and the > quick pop down to look

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Rodrigo Severo
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Paul Sargent wrote: > > > On Oct 27, 2014, at 03:42 PM, Rodrigo Severo > wrote: > > Bill, > > I agree: 1/2 foot is noise, 10 m is significant. > > What value do you think we should use as limit? I just proposed 1 m on > my previous email to Robert but I'm not sure

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Dirk Hohndel
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:29:47AM -0400, William Perry wrote: > >> > >> I just finished by CCR training down in Bonaire last week so I don’t have > >> a > >> lot of experience, but I did find that minor depth changes did not impact > >> the loop volume enough for me to feel the need to add dilu

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Paul Sargent
On Oct 27, 2014, at 03:42 PM, Rodrigo Severo wrote: Bill, I agree: 1/2 foot is noise, 10 m is significant. What value do you think we should use as limit? I just proposed 1 m on my previous email to Robert but I'm not sure if this value is big enough. What do you think? It'd be interest

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread William Perry
> On Oct 27, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Rodrigo Severo > wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:37 PM, William Perry wrote: >> >> I just finished by CCR training down in Bonaire last week so I don’t have a >> lot of experience, but I did find that minor depth changes did not impact >> the loop volume

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Rodrigo Severo
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:37 PM, William Perry wrote: > > I just finished by CCR training down in Bonaire last week so I don’t have a > lot of experience, but I did find that minor depth changes did not impact > the loop volume enough for me to feel the need to add diluent. My inhale > was cut

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Rodrigo Severo
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Robert Helling wrote: > > On 27.10.2014, at 12:10, Rodrigo Severo wrote: > > Rodrigo, > >> AFAICT the consensus about diluent consumption is that it should be >> calculated as if spend only during descends. >> >> In other words, use the same method to calculate

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread William Perry
> On Oct 27, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Robert Helling wrote: > > > On 27.10.2014, at 12:10, Rodrigo Severo > wrote: > > Rodrigo, > >> AFAICT the consensus about diluent consumption is that it should be >> calculated as if spend only during descends. >> >> In ot

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Robert Helling
On 27.10.2014, at 12:10, Rodrigo Severo wrote: Rodrigo, > AFAICT the consensus about diluent consumption is that it should be > calculated as if spend only during descends. > > In other words, use the same method to calculate for OC, but consider > that during ascends and when maintaining dep

Re: Two more rebreather patches

2014-10-27 Thread Rodrigo Severo
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Robert Helling wrote: > Hi, > > since we seem to be going towards planning for rebreathers as well (what > happened to Gaetan’s attempts at coming up with a UI implementation?), here > are two more patches: > > 1) For the time being, simply pretend in CCR phases w