[sugar] pre-alpha release of Deducto

2008-10-09 Thread Naveen Aggarwal
Hello all A new game by the name of DEDUCTO has been developed for OLPC - XO. The link for downloading the game is : http://code.google.com/p/deducto/downloads/list Kindly report the bugs(if faced any) and your reviews about the game. Any help is highly appreciated. Regards Deducto Team

Re: [sugar] naming, was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft Word had something that compared looks as a genius feature, that would set as default (editable) name for the .doc document the first few

[sugar] Activities can't be hidden any more

2008-10-09 Thread Morgan Collett
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_bundles#.info_File_Format still says: - quote - show_launcher = yes This key is optional. If not present, or if present with a value of yes, the activity is shown with its icon in the Sugar panel launcher and a valid 'icon' key/value pair is required.

[sugar] naming

2008-10-09 Thread Tony Anderson
Moodle provides exactly the environment you describe: students get assignments via their Moodle course, upload the completed assignment, the upload is associated with the student via the Moodle database, the teacher can review, grade, and comment on the work of each student. The student is

Re: [sugar] Home view

2008-10-09 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Well, that's beside my point, it's the list view I find awkward, not the various other layouts. - Bert - Am 09.10.2008 um 14:35 schrieb Walter Bender: You should try the sunflower view (or the spiral I describe in the How to Modify Sugar chapter in the FLOSSmanual. (I am rewriting that

[sugar] journal is hard (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM, elana langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) Basically - The journal is really hard for people/ kids to use over a longer period of time. Kids and teachers can't find things that they did unless it was done within the last 30 minutes. Could you please

[sugar] Home view

2008-10-09 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Since we're kicking around ideas again ... I have to admit I hate the list view in the home screen. Maybe if it was simpler to switch between the list and favorites view (repeatedly pressing F3 was suggested, but not implemented) it would be less annoying. But right now I find myself just

[sugar] saving files (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM, elana langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Can't save files - this should probably be the first item on my list. It drives teachers and students crazy. They make something in an application, take some pictures or write something and then have to go through a

[sugar] host_version

2008-10-09 Thread Morgan Collett
On the subject of activity.info, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_bundles#.info_File_Format has this to say about the host_version field: Each activity.info file must have a host_version key. The version is a single positive integer. This specifies the version of the Sugar environment which the

Re: [sugar] Home view

2008-10-09 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
So, how about removing the list view and leaving that task to the Journal? It's a much more logical place anyway, the list view is basically a filtered view of the activity bundles in the Journal, right? So if the Journal allowed a filter to just show activities we would not need the list

Re: [sugar] Home view

2008-10-09 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 09.10.2008 um 14:20 schrieb Mikus Grinbergs: So, how about removing the list view and leaving that task to the Journal? It's a much more logical place anyway, the list view is basically a filtered view of the activity bundles in the Journal, right? So if the Journal allowed a filter to

[sugar] re Journal Requirements and preparing kids (was something else)

2008-10-09 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Tomeu, Thanks for asking. The product manager role is only meaningful if developers and users feel they benefit from it :-) A note on my perspective. So far I have been able to focus exclusively on XO + Sugar Software. I don't think much about other OSes on XO (e.g. Fedora or Windows) or

Re: [sugar] Home view

2008-10-09 Thread Walter Bender
Maybe the list view belongs as part of the Sugar Control Panel. -walter On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 09.10.2008 um 14:20 schrieb Mikus Grinbergs: So, how about removing the list view and leaving that task to the Journal? It's a much more

Re: [sugar] Home view

2008-10-09 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Excellent idea. - Bert - Am 09.10.2008 um 16:13 schrieb Walter Bender: Maybe the list view belongs as part of the Sugar Control Panel. -walter On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 09.10.2008 um 14:20 schrieb Mikus Grinbergs: So, how about

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Narrative.

2008-10-09 Thread Michael Stone
Bill, Here's a short dialogue between myself, Ben Schwartz, Martin Dengler, and Bobby Powers on my interpretation of narrative as it might apply to a user interface designed for engaging children in the world of learning: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/Commentaries/Sugar_2 ===

[sugar] sugar and the digital age (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Elana, On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:48 PM, elana langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d) Although I think building a tagging tool around kids natural ways of thinking is really exciting, most teachers/schools/gov'ts are really concerned that this OS isn't preparing kids for the digital age

[sugar] Slowness (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Elana, you have brought a very needed point of view to this list. Let me try to start the process of translating your experience to actionable items. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM, elana langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Computers are slow - So I was in a Ger in the west part of Mongolia

Re: [sugar] Home view

2008-10-09 Thread Walter Bender
You should try the sunflower view (or the spiral I describe in the How to Modify Sugar chapter in the FLOSSmanual. (I am rewriting that chapter in light of Scott's changes to favoriteslayout.py). -walter On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we're

Re: [sugar] Activities can't be hidden any more

2008-10-09 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 09.10.2008 um 11:20 schrieb Tomeu Vizoso: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_bundles#.info_File_Format still says: - quote - show_launcher = yes This key is optional. If not present, or if present with

Re: [sugar] Activities can't be hidden any more

2008-10-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_bundles#.info_File_Format still says: - quote - show_launcher = yes This key is optional. If not present, or if present with a value of yes, the activity is shown with its

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Narrative.

2008-10-09 Thread Brian Jordan
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, Here's a short dialogue between myself, Ben Schwartz, Martin Dengler, and Bobby Powers on my interpretation of narrative as it might apply to a user interface designed for engaging children in the world of learning:

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Narrative.

2008-10-09 Thread Michael Rueger
Brian Jordan wrote: My favorite part was the end: bemasc making content bundles work better sounds very valuable. We certainly don't provide nice content creation tools. I heartily agree that this is an area in which improvements are worth pursuing. Quite some

Re: [sugar] Home view

2008-10-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 09.10.2008 um 14:20 schrieb Mikus Grinbergs: So, how about removing the list view and leaving that task to the Journal? It's a much more logical place anyway, the list view is basically a filtered view of the

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Narrative.

2008-10-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Brian Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, Here's a short dialogue between myself, Ben Schwartz, Martin Dengler, and Bobby Powers on my interpretation of narrative as it might apply to a

[sugar] Cross posting

2008-10-09 Thread Philippe Clérié
I notice there's considerable cross posting occuring to the sugar and devel lists. Perhaps they should be merged? Philippe -- The trouble with common sense is that it is so uncommon. Anonymous ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org

[sugar] Sugar datastore model

2008-10-09 Thread Tony Anderson
There is a use case that concerns me at the moment: 1. An activity that allows a student to build a slideshow with music and voice tracks based on images taken with the XO camera (as well as png, svg, jpg from the internet or school library). How does the activity find available images on

[sugar] 0.84/9.1 planning.

2008-10-09 Thread C. Scott Ananian
OLPC needs to work out its priorities and goals for 9.1. Sugarlabs needs to do the same for 0.84. We should do it together! I suggest that sugarlabs organize an 0.84 planning meeting, to be held at the same time/place as OLPC's 9.1 planning meeting in November. My understanding is that SJ is

Re: [sugar] Cross posting

2008-10-09 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Philippe Clérié [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice there's considerable cross posting occuring to the sugar and devel lists. Perhaps they should be merged? There's a subset relationship: often sugar stuff is relevant to general developers, but there's also (say)

Re: [sugar] sugar and the digital age (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread elana langer
there is a very common feeling amongst policy makers and teacher that the XO doesn't really prepare students for the field of IT. There was a pilot project done in Mongolia that was run by the Japanese gov't where they introduced Linux to 4 towns. The students went on to study at the Mongolian IT

Re: [sugar] saving files (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread elana langer
Hey Tomeu- By file I mean the product of their work - in write a document, in record a picture, in etoys a project etc. They want to save what they do in a traditional way. Now when I mean 'they' I am referring mostly to teachers or teacher trainers. But i think we need to face the reality that

Re: [sugar] journal is hard (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread elana langer
basically when teachers and students try to find their work (write, record, etoys) in the journal it is hard for them to locate it - especially if it is more than a few days old. This is why everyone is desperate to save their projects on USB keys. Also it seems that everything doesn't always go

Re: [sugar] Slowness (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread elana langer
in addition to boot and activity load time the time it takes to switch between applications is also a little frustrating - especially for kids who have worked on faster computers. I am in Mongolia for the next few weeks. There are several schools in the city that have computers so if you want any

Re: [sugar] Cross posting

2008-10-09 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Philippe Clérié [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I guess I shall have to figure out how to deal with duplicates. Your reply produced 3 of them. I'm using KMail. If you have tips... 1) install procmail 2) man procmailex 3) search for 'duplicates' 4) ...? --scott --

Re: [sugar] journal is hard (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Elana Langer wrote from Mongolia: basically when teachers and students try to find their work (write, record, etoys) in the journal it is hard for them to locate it - especially if it is more than a few days old. This is why everyone is desperate to save their projects on USB keys. My

Re: [sugar] Slowness (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread Erik Garrison
Hey Elana, One thing which you can do to improve activity switching performance is to run xcompmgr (X composite manager). This prevents the activities from burning CPU time redrawing themselves every time they are switched to by persistently caching the video memory used by each window. The

Re: [sugar] journal is hard (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread Gary C Martin
On 9 Oct 2008, at 19:57, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Elana Langer wrote from Mongolia: basically when teachers and students try to find their work (write, record, etoys) in the journal it is hard for them to locate it - especially if it is more than a few days old. This is why everyone is

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Narrative.

2008-10-09 Thread Edward Cherlin
I posted a comment on Bryan's call for textbook/narrative creation. http://www.olpcnews.com/content/education/scaling_constructionism_with_dynabooks.html Let's do this, Bryan. Where should we set up the workshop? What tools do we need? Wiki, mailing lists, forums, repository...? I and others

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-09 Thread Deniz Kural
This whole why would you need a USB in mongolia? conversation shows how out of touch some people on this list are with the people the project is trying to reach. People live miles and miles away from one another (in Mongolia), and it is entirely normal to travel to your friends yurt or yer or

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 08:10:57PM -0400, Deniz Kural wrote: [this list is out of touch] Hence, student, or teacher, I need a USB stick. 1. Plug USB stick into XO running build from the last six months 2. Drag files from the Journal to the USB stick icon 3. Drag files from the USB stick's file

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-09 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Deniz Kural [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: p.p.s Marco, you're a stuck-up asshole :) Nice to meet you, Deniz. Do you care to elaborate? Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-09 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:36 AM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin, Deniz, cool it, the pair of you. No more ad hominem attacks. You each owe the other an apology. And one to Marco, too. Thank you Edward, but no need for an apology. It's the funniest thing I heard in the last week,

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] sugar and the digital age (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 09.10.2008 um 19:10 schrieb elana langer: there is a very common feeling amongst policy makers and teacher that the XO doesn't really prepare students for the field of IT. There was a pilot project done in Mongolia that was run by the Japanese gov't where they introduced Linux to 4 towns.

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:36:10PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: Martin, Deniz, cool it, the pair of you. No more ad hominem attacks. Relax. As to my ad-hominem attacks, how is it ad-hominem to say that someone who says something incorrect is out of touch (with the truth/progress/etc.)? Or say

Re: [sugar] Slowness (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-09 Thread James Cameron
I've just confirmed activity switching performance is improved by using xcompmgr. Environment: XO C2 with build 763 (on a random laptop), with Firefox activity, Terminal activity and Journal activity all active, with Firefox displaying a reasonably complex web page, with a copy of