Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread Morgan Collett
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 08:49, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:07 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this schedule seem reasonable to others? (Esp. those I've

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
A couple of points. * This is a Sugar Labs organized conference, OLPC specific stuff is not appropriate for it. XOcamp is in January. I edited the wiki accordingly, both the talks and the schedule. * Please don't do planning on the agenda during closed, in person meetings. #sugar-meeting is the

[sugar] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Fellow Sugarites, I must say that I'm pretty much surprised as to how the SugarCamp planning is being done. My personal opinion is that SugarLabs is a global organization and cannot behave as if it had headquarters in a single place because it hasn't. SL contributors are going to travel from

Re: [sugar] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
What about making Tuesday Content/Collaboration Day? I will be leaving by early afternoon of Thursday... :-( Ed Cherlin is coming, so that would make one more for Content Day, and certainly I would be happy to tell you where OLE is at in that field, and even discuss e-learning platforms and

Re: [sugar] XO evaluation paper

2008-11-13 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 01:27 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: Am I the only to have missed this paper? http://www.teachingmatters.org/evaluations/olpc_kappa.pdf The bits about the Journal makes me think that it's really the right idea, and it will rock as soon as we have a decent

Re: [sugar] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, talks that IMO are more appropriate for this week, along with people I'm most interested in hearing, are: - How Sugar-on-a-stick can better work for deployments such as the ones carried on by http://schoolkey.net

Re: [sugar] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread Simon Schampijer
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, talks that IMO are more appropriate for this week, along with people I'm most interested in hearing, are: - How Sugar-on-a-stick can better work for deployments such as the ones carried on

Re: [sugar] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread Simon Schampijer
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Fellow Sugarites, I must say that I'm pretty much surprised as to how the SugarCamp planning is being done. My personal opinion is that SugarLabs is a global organization and cannot behave as if it had headquarters in a single place because it hasn't. SL contributors are

Re: [sugar] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread David Farning
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fellow Sugarites, I must say that I'm pretty much surprised as to how the SugarCamp planning is being done. My personal opinion is that SugarLabs is a global organization and cannot behave as if it had headquarters in a

Re: [sugar] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
what the hell? i don't think it's productive to separate olpc and sugarlabs in this fashion. the whole point of this was *joint* discussion/planning! and i also resent the implication that this was closed-door planning. i posted a *proposed* schedule. we're discussing it here *in public*. i

Re: [sugar] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
-1. sugarlabs and olpc have the same mission. i think it's entirely appropriate to have one day devoted to technical issues, with the participation of olpc employees (who are also sugarlabs members -- even board members). we have monday, tuesday, friday, saturday, and sunday reserved for

Re: [sugar] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -1. sugarlabs and olpc have the same mission. Don't know about that, but even if that was true, both restaurants below my flat have the same mission but I don't think their owners need to take care of exactly the same

Re: [sugar] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
C. Scott Ananian wrote snip the whole point of this was *joint* discussion/planning! let's continue *together*, shall we? In this intention, I've added cross-links to each other activity in XOCamp-2 and Sugarcamp ___ Sugar mailing list

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread Morgan Collett
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 20:39, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sugarlabs and olpc have the same mission. Yes, but you have to substitute the word 'education' for 'laptop' - I can't remember which way round :-) (http://www.google.com/search?q=substitute+the+word+education+for+laptop)

Re: [sugar] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:35 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what the hell? i don't think it's productive to separate olpc and sugarlabs in this fashion. Personally I think the way you keep to couple them is *extremely* confusing. Red Hat people certainly participates to GNOME

Re: [sugar] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:35 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I think the way you keep to couple them is *extremely* confusing. Red Hat people certainly participates to GNOME conferences, but

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 20:39, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sugarlabs and olpc have the same mission. Yes, but you have to substitute the word 'education' for 'laptop' - I can't remember which way round :-)

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread Greg Dekoenigsberg
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: Setting us artificial us-vs-them antagonism between OLPC and SugarLabs is *not* the way to improve our working together. In my opinion. Both SugarLabs and OLPC are we. There's a difference between us-vs-them antagonism and separation of

Re: [sugar] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Marco et al, re: I'd like to propose another one: - How Sugar Labs could better work with OLPC in satisfying their customers. (Greg Smith) Marco I'm open to it if there is interest and time available. I'd likely do an open discussion with a few text only slides to focus, if that's

Re: [sugar] MPP with two XOs and a pppd via GPRS

2008-11-13 Thread Ankur Verma
Sorry, the mail missed my sight. Please see the comments below: On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two XOs (XO#1 and XO#2) with build 767. XO#1 is connected using wvdial (pppd) over GPRS. I am using Vodafone's service in India. By itself, XO#1 gets

[sugar] New laptop.org page was Re: [IAEP] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
I tried, it asked me for a password (no need, I'm good), but just let me remind y'all that the _minimum_ design constraint for the laptop.org page is that it shows right on the XO... The current one doesn't (or didn't when I tried to show it to somebody, using an XO, a couple weeks back.

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar Camp Cambridge 17-21 Nov

2008-11-13 Thread Dafydd Harries
Ar 13/11/2008 am 01:18, ysgrifennodd Brendan R. Powers: Hi, I did not mean to suggest ripping out telepathy and dbus, and replacing it with xmlrpc. My thought on the subject was that dbus may not be well suited for network communication because it's a binary protocol. The problem comes

Re: [sugar] New laptop.org page was Re: [IAEP] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried, it asked me for a password (no need, I'm good), but just let me remind y'all that the _minimum_ design constraint for the laptop.org page is that it shows right on the XO... The current one doesn't (or didn't

[sugar] [Proposal] .xot bundles, for translations

2008-11-13 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hello, One of the things in my TODO for 9.1 is to have a better mechanism for language packs[1] in the XO. The primary goal of language packs is to decouple the process of translations from the process of OS release as much as possible, since as our software gets larger and more complicated, it

[sugar] OLPC, Chile and Educalibre

2008-11-13 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
(from Werner Westermann, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Best regards from Santiago, Chile. In May of this year, we had exciting news where the ICT-Schools program of the Department of Education, Enlaces (http://www.enlaces.cl), asked Educalibre (http://www.educalibre.cl/) to propose a OLPC deployment

Re: [sugar] [Localization] OLPC, Chile and Educalibre

2008-11-13 Thread Walter Bender
I suggest you approach Chuck Kane at OLPC directly. If for some reason he cannot accommodate the request, then we should discuss alternative means to deploy Sugar. -walter On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (from Werner Westermann, [EMAIL PROTECTED] )

Re: [sugar] SugarCamp

2008-11-13 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marco et al, re: I'd like to propose another one: - How Sugar Labs could better work with OLPC in satisfying their customers. (Greg Smith) Marco I'm open to it if there is interest and time available. I'd

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:07 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... lots of interesting things... I'm very happy that the Sugar folks are in town -- under whatever alibi -- and I'm keen on meeting, having a beer together and perhaps talking a few technical things too ;-) After all,

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19

2008-11-13 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
I hope for a chance to see a server in action, and it would be tops if I could see a server being set up from scratch. That might even justify I take a box with me... In a Montessori way, I learn best when things happen as I do them. Yama Martin Langhoff wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:07

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Schedule for SugarCamp?

2008-11-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
C. Scott Ananian wrote: Please reserve the 3pm-5pm Thursday time slot for the roadmap meeting; I've gotten people to clear their schedules for that slot already. I've left it there, and split it in two parts: 15-17: Brainstorm: OLPC 9.1 draft roadmap and priorities 17-19 Brainstorm: Sugar