Re: [Sugar-devel] Karma: bundle layout improve

2009/8/16 Bryan Berry > Christoph already used "tutorial" instead of "reading" in the Karma > Dictionary http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Karma/Dictionary. > > do u mind if we go w/ that? IMHO "tutorial" is also a better name because reading infers a relatively passive use and it generally lends it

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

Let me summarize this thread: a) User Point of view Mesh: created automatically, small networks Ad-Hoc: user created, very small networks, internet connection sharing b) Technically Mesh: not range limited (package forwarding), no creator principle Ad-Hoc: range limited, best 2 people to avoid

[Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

2009/8/11 Tomeu Vizoso : >>> You mean that you cannot open that library bundle by clicking on its >>> journal entry? >> >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but none of the methods that could be used by >> deployments to distribute materials this way in mass would result in a >> journal entry appearing for

Re: [Sugar-devel] multiple activity versions installed simultaneously (was Re: [Bugs] #1042 UNSP: cannot install new activity version)

2009/8/11 Gary C Martin : >> What are the user interfaces like when dealing with multiple >> activities? > > Well, we have this already, it's called the Journal. Just download Activity > bundles and they all live there (and have done as far back as I can > recall)... > >> If I click on a new versio

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009/8/7 Tomeu Vizoso : > But not all text is rendered with that default font size. Do you have examples? > I was asking you about how we can get there, IOW which is the > suggested technical plan. > > We have today a solution that allows scaling the size of the text in > all of Sugar, so it can

Re: [Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:02, Daniel Drake wrote: > 2009/8/11 Tomeu Vizoso : You mean that you cannot open that library bundle by clicking on its journal entry? >>> >>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but none of the methods that could be used by >>> deployments to distribute materials this way

Re: [Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > The idea is that the journal would have an actions view that would be > closer to what you refer to. Would contain actions that the user > carried and events that happened around the user. The Journal as Sugar's "documents" view is heavily inf

Re: [Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:38, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> The idea is that the journal would have an actions view that would be >> closer to what you refer to. Would contain actions that the user >> carried and events that happened around the us

Re: [Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

2009/8/17 Tomeu Vizoso : > I don't see where we disagree any of us OK.. so what do you suggest as the next steps? File a ticket? Start a feature page? Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinf

Re: [Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > I don't see where we disagree any of us, so maybe I'm explaining badly > myself. Let me try again. > > I agree that the journal should be a journal, thus primarily about > actions and events and not about static pieces of data or code. You're

Re: [Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:52, Daniel Drake wrote: > 2009/8/17 Tomeu Vizoso : >> I don't see where we disagree any of us > > OK.. so what do you suggest as the next steps? > File a ticket? > Start a feature page? Feature pages, I would say. We have already some design proposals in the wiki, but I'

[Sugar-devel] BoomingBang project : RT-42001... Help needed..

Hello everyone, I am Abhishek Indoria, Developer of BoomingBang project, i.e. http://boomingbang.webs.com I would like to you to see/check below given details and send your reviews and suggestions on the project...along with how to port this project to linux. RT=42001 Project Details: What is Boom

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

I must have missed most of this thread. Could someone please update me on the current proposals for dealing with font size on different displays? I've been working on this a lot for my text-based activity, and making good progress. For me, the issue is having the text filling any screen appropr

Re: [Sugar-devel] Karma: bundle layout improve

>> Christoph already used "tutorial" instead of "reading" in the Karma >> Dictionary http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Karma/Dictionary. >> >> do u mind if we go w/ that? > > IMHO "tutorial" is also a better name because reading infers a relatively > passive use and it generally lends itself more to "bo

Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem listing journal objects

I was hoping I'd get an answer on this question but I haven't heard anything yet. Last week I added features to View Slides including Annotations (like Read Etexts has, without the highlighting) and improved the ability of the Slides toolbar to add and remove images from the slide show. I made it

[Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu

Hello, m_stone and I were attempting to get a mock Rawhide chroot setup the other night (for testing the latest Sugar rpms in a confined way) and ran into several blocking issues related to recent changes in Fedora's RPM packaging setup. The first was the use of XZ compression for RPMs, which the

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009/8/17 Art Hunkins : > I'm dealing with another issue as well - one that is equally important: 4:3 > va. 16:9 displays. All my text has to be on a single screen; but 4:3 screens > will display more *lines* than 16:9. What I'm trying to do is for my script > to query for screen size (Walter showe

[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu

And once again, I reply only to the sender and forget the others -_- -- Forwarded message -- From: Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) Date: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 17:29 Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu To: Bobby Powers > Is there a > low-

[Sugar-devel] Call for volunteers to implement Bug Report feature

Hi all, One of sugar lacks is an easy way to send bugreports(especially for non-tech users), so if someone interested in please pick [1] up. [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Bug_Report -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > And once again, I reply only to the sender and forget the others -_- > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > Date: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 17:29 > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM for

Re: [Sugar-devel] multiple activity versions installed simultaneously (#1042)

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 03:58:46PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: Maybe I'm reading the bug report wrong, but to me it seems to say that if Read ETexts v1 is installed (where installed = extracted on disk, icon on home screen, etc), and if we then click a link to Read ETexts v2, then that one *addit

Re: [Sugar-devel] Call for volunteers to implement Bug Report feature

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:53, Aleksey Lim wrote: > One of sugar lacks is an easy way to send bugreports(especially for > non-tech users), so if someone interested in please pick [1] up. >From what I've seen on IRC, Sebastian Dziallas is currently working on a solution, either by porting Apport

Re: [Sugar-devel] multiple activity versions installed simultaneously (#1042)

2009/8/17 Sascha Silbe : > Current behaviour: If v1 is installed and you try to run v2 from bundle, an > exception is thrown (=> nothing happens). > After my patch: If v1 is installed and you try to run v2 from bundle, v1 > will be removed and v2 installed. > > In both cases the actual version numb

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu

>  I suppose the question is > better stated as 'since when has Fedora supported/enabled Lua support > in RPM packages, and where was this change posted?'  Quick google > searching didn't seem to turn up anything relevant, nor does the rpm > changelog [1] (suggesting its been supported for a while?

[Sugar-devel] Karma IRC meeting - August 18

Hey guys, I started collecting some items for tomorrow's IRC meeting, as always you can find them at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Karma:Meeting_18_Aug_2009 Good night, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com _

Re: [Sugar-devel] Call for volunteers to implement Bug Report feature

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 18:29, Luke Faraone wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:53, Aleksey Lim wrote: >> >> One of sugar lacks is an easy way to send bugreports(especially for >> non-tech users), so if someone interested in please pick [1] up. > > From what I've seen on IRC, Sebastian Dziallas is

[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Designing for Children - Conference, Educational Meet, Exhibition at IDC IIT Bombay

FYI. -- Sameer -- Forwarded message -- From: Date: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:18 AM Subject: Designing for Children - Conference, Educational Meet, Exhibition at IDC IIT Bombay To: olpc-in...@googlegroups.com  2nd - 6th of February 2010 at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Call for volunteers to implement Bug Report feature

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 18:29, Luke Faraone wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:53, Aleksey Lim wrote: >>> >>> One of sugar lacks is an easy way to send bugreports(especially for >>> non-tech users), so if someone interested in

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >>  I suppose the question is >> better stated as 'since when has Fedora supported/enabled Lua support >> in RPM packages, and where was this change posted?'  Quick google >> searching didn't seem to turn up anything relevant, nor d

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu

> (bochecha) wrote: >>>  I suppose the question is >>> better stated as 'since when has Fedora supported/enabled Lua support >>> in RPM packages, and where was this change posted?'  Quick google >>> searching didn't seem to turn up anything relevant, nor does the rpm >>> changelog [1] (suggesting i

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > Brian Jordan wrote: >> >> On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:25 PM, "Benjamin M. Schwartz" >> wrote: >> >>> Indeed.  The #1 thing to do, IMHO, is to get rid of the "yum install" >>> requirement.  In the short term, the only way to do that is to b

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

>> Indeed.  The #1 thing to do, IMHO, is to get rid of the "yum install" >> requirement.  In the short term, the only way to do that is to bundle >> gtk-vnc and gtk-vnc-python into the .xo, which is fine... I'm just not >> quite sure how to do it. > > If someone does know how to do this sort of thi

[Sugar-devel] GSoC final update: Groupthink documentation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Documentation for Groupthink is now available at http://bemasc.net/~bens/groupthink/ Documentation is never really "complete", but most public methods of Groupthink objects are documented, as well as the purpose of each object type. This includes h

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

Peter Robinson wrote: >>> Indeed. The #1 thing to do, IMHO, is to get rid of the "yum install" >>> requirement. In the short term, the only way to do that is to bundle >>> gtk-vnc and gtk-vnc-python into the .xo, which is fine... I'm just not >>> quite sure how to do it. >> If someone does know h

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >> If someone does know how to do this sort of thing, a quick how-to >> writeup would be immensely useful! > > Please DON'T do this. There is absolutely NO guarantee that this will ... > If you have something that > has a dependency you'd be mu

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

Indeed.  The #1 thing to do, IMHO, is to get rid of the "yum install" requirement.  In the short term, the only way to do that is to bundle gtk-vnc and gtk-vnc-python into the .xo, which is fine... I'm just not quite sure how to do it. >>> If someone does know how to do this sor

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

Hi Martin, >> Please DON'T do this. There is absolutely NO guarantee that this will > ... >> If you have something that >> has a dependency you'd be much better to package it up as an rpm where >> you can do proper rpm requires which means it can pull in any required >> dependencies. I will quite

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

> Indeed.  The #1 thing to do, IMHO, is to get rid of the "yum install" > requirement.  In the short term, the only way to do that is to bundle > gtk-vnc and gtk-vnc-python into the .xo, which is fine... I'm just not > quite sure how to do it. If someone does know how to do thi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

> I assume you know that when users are installing Sugar 'activities' > they don't have root access, and that the install is completely in ~ > ... > > If we get on the "do the right thing" horse, then we have to ensure > user-installable RPMs ("relocatable" I think is the feature name) are > workin

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 15:48, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) < boche...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > PackageKit uses PolicyKit for the authentication framework, which > means you can very easily define the following permissions: > > 1. user A can install signed RPMs from the repositories without root >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 21:52, Luke Faraone wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 15:48, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > wrote: >> >> PackageKit uses PolicyKit for the authentication framework, which >> means you can very easily define the following permissions: >> >> 1. user A can install signed RPMs from

Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem listing journal objects

At lunch today I tried out my latest View Slides on my XO for the first time and found that I *could* see all of the images with the code I was using. So it would seem to be an issue with the Sugar test environment that ships with Fedora 11 and 10, and not an issue with Sugar itself. I think. Al

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > (and « because we can't ask the user the root password » is not a > valid excuse, see PolicyKit) In an LTSP environment, no sysadmin is going to choose a policy that allows users to install packages, even trusted packages, to the root system, or otherwise make an

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

> In an LTSP environment, no sysadmin is going to choose a policy that > allows users to install packages, even trusted packages, to the root > system, or otherwise make any sort of modification that cannot be > trivially and reliably wiped clean.  PolicyKit will work fine, in that it > will happil

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

Peter Robinson wrote: >> In an LTSP environment, no sysadmin is going to choose a policy that >> allows users to install packages, even trusted packages, to the root >> system, or otherwise make any sort of modification that cannot be >> trivially and reliably wiped clean. PolicyKit will work fine

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

Hi Peter, On 17 Aug 2009, at 21:20, Peter Robinson wrote: >> In an LTSP environment, no sysadmin is going to choose a policy that >> allows users to install packages, even trusted packages, to the root >> system, or otherwise make any sort of modification that cannot be >> trivially and reliably

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

Daniel Drake wrote: > 2009/8/11 Gary C Martin : >> H. Are you sure this is an accurate statement? I was under the >> impression that mesh forwarding support had been removed/disabled from OLPCs >> implementation a long time ago, since soon after the Mongolia deployment. >> Mesh was killing the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

> The whole point is a learner/teacher can modify any activity at any time and > then share that modification in a safe, sandboxed way, to other Sugar users > (and perhaps back to us). No existing packaging systems seem to have any > concept of this basic Sugar feature/goal :-( Don't the .xo packa

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

Peter Robinson wrote: >>> Hmm... so if other people join that network, and then I leave, does the >>> network not persist? I haven't experimented with this yet. >> yes, it will persist > > Really? My understanding of the ad-hoc network is that it basically > puts the user that creates it wifi car

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

> Also, I believe > NetworkManager still has no concept of AP mode Do you mean that with NM you can't become an AP ? Something like that: http://magazine.redhat.com/2008/10/16/video-fedora-10-connection-sharing/ ? Or did I misunderstand what you meant ? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) __

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> Also, I believe >> NetworkManager still has no concept of AP mode > > Do you mean that with NM you can't become an AP ? Yes. That video does _not_ show the connection-sharing computer becoming an Access Point. It shows it becoming a node on an ad hoc network

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On 17 Aug 2009, at 21:20, Peter Robinson wrote: > >>> In an LTSP environment, no sysadmin is going to choose a policy that >>> allows users to install packages, even trusted packages, to the root >>> system, or otherwise make an

[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Log-21

Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4056 Sugar Platform: from 0.86 to 0.86 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/version/29217 Release notes: * Utilize new toolbars design Reviewer comments: This request has been approved. Sugar Labs Activities http://ac

[Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-08-17

=== Sugar Digest === "He was guided by what he saw rather than what he wanted to believe." – Vernor Vinge 1. While I am not chasing down Turtle Art bugs, I am catching up with my summer reading. The quote from ''A Fire in the Deep'' seems a nice summary of the discussion about teaching physics on

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Bundles up for testing.

Oh and also adding to the install doc is: The deviceicon relies on the printscipt.py, so might want to make a copy of it in the respective directory along with the deviceicon. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:54 AM, Vamsi Krishna Davuluri < vamsi.davul...@gmail.com> wrote: > The readme includes instruc

Re: [Sugar-devel] Call for volunteers to implement Bug Report feature

> Hi all, > > One of sugar lacks is an easy way to send bugreports(especially for > non-tech users), so if someone interested in please pick [1] up. > > [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Bug_Report I am currently in the very early stages of working on a simplified web access to redhat's b

Re: [Sugar-devel] Call for volunteers to implement Bug Report feature

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 03:53:47PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: > Hi all, > > One of sugar lacks is an easy way to send bugreports(especially for > non-tech users), so if someone interested in please pick [1] up. > > [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Bug_Report original requests: http://dev

Re: [Sugar-devel] Physics release?

Hi, I'll be away from home the whole week and I only brought a pentium III computer so I won't be able to help much. I think we should remove the motor tool. What do you think? Greetings, Asaf On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > On 18 Aug 2009, at 02:29, Brian Jordan wrote: >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 03:18:22PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > So, in fact, I have taken a middle way that is somewhat interesting. > [...] > It then generates these variables so as to ensure that the bundles > libraries are inserted with _lowest_ priority, rather than _highest_ > priority

Re: [Sugar-devel] Call for volunteers to implement Bug Report feature

C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Mathieu Bridon > (bochecha) wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 18:29, Luke Faraone wrote: >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:53, Aleksey Lim wrote: One of sugar lacks is an easy way to send bugreports(especially for non-tech u

[Sugar-devel] SoaS Readiness Meeting - Availability?

So it is finally coming up: the SoaS v2 Beta. And just a few days later, there will be the Fedora QA Test Day. I think we might have quite some stuff to discuss (What needs to be done to get it in a proper shape? How do we prepare for the Test Day?)... So please go ahead and enter your availabi