[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] TurtleArt-69

2009-09-24 Thread Walter Bender
I've uploaded a release version of Turtle Art for 0.86. The tarball is: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/TurtleArt-69.tar.gz Notes: 69 * chmod +x svg factory * added missing import gettext from talogo.py * renamed xo-man to xo-child * caught missing attribute when running

[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Turtle Art-69

2009-09-24 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4027 Sugar Platform: from 0.82 to 0.86 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/version/29261 Release notes: * chmod +x svg factory * added missing import gettext from talogo.py * renamed xo-man to xo-child * caught missing

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Michael Stone wrote: > As for interpreters -- I absolutely agree that they should be chosen > carefully. > I just think that the interpreter that we choose carefully should be the > one > that prepares to run a program (e.g. by fetching and installing it, or by > caching it, etc) rather than the o

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Etoys 4.0.2319

2009-09-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
== Sources == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/etoys/etoys-4.0.2319.tar.gz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Etoys/Etoys-108.tar.gz == Packaged for OLPC XO == http://etoys.laptop.org/rpms/etoys-4.0.2319-1.noarch.rpm http://etoys.laptop.org/rpms/Etoys-1

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
Ben wrote: > Michael Stone wrote: >> Consequently, I want to make using activities more like web pages. That's >> why I work on rainbow and on networking design. >... >> In my opinion, ideally, they click a URL and the software they >> clicked runs most of the time. They don't care what version is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar (was: slobs... blah blah)

2009-09-24 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Peter Robinson wrote: >> Well, if we decide that future releases of Sugar should run ok on the >> next major release of CentOS, we cannot depend on later versions of >> python, gtk, etc. > > I'm not sure something like sugar which is (and should be) fast moving > mixes well

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-datastore-0.86.0

2009-09-24 Thread Aleksey Lim
== Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.86.0.tar.bz2 == News == * fix 'error return without exception set' on ARM (#1404) * eliminate incorrect warning about unknown search terms (#1363) * Fix AUTHORS file * Add AM_MAINTAINER_MODE macr

[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Image Viewer-13

2009-09-24 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4032 Sugar Platform: from 0.86 to 0.86 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/version/29259 Release notes: * Updated translations for German, Portuguese and Mongolian Reviewer comments: This request has been approved.

[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Terminal-27

2009-09-24 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4043 Sugar Platform: from 0.86 to 0.86 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/version/29260 Release notes: * Make canvas emit motion-notify-event during pointer motion. dslo#1402 (Aleksey Lim) * Fix typo (dslo#1356) (Alek

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Terminal 27

2009-09-24 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hello, I have just released Terminal activity version 27. Apart from translation updates, it contains a very important fix from Aleksey Lim which prevents the unfullscreen button from disappearing permanently while in fullscreen mode. Changes * Make canvas emit motion-notify-event during pointer m

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] ImageViewer 13

2009-09-24 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hello, I have just released ImageViewer version 13 with translation updates. Source http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ImageViewer/ImageViewer-13.tar.bz2 Changes * Updated translations for German, Portuguese and Mongolian Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://say

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Read 75

2009-09-24 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hello everyone, I have released Read version 75. Apart from translation updates, this contains fix for a bug that prevented searching inside Epub files. Changes * Fix search in Epub files (dslo #1319) * Updated translations for German, Mongolian and Portuguese Source http://download.sugarlabs.org

[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Read-75

2009-09-24 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4028 Sugar Platform: from 0.86 to 0.86 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/version/29258 Release notes: * Fix search in Epub files (dslo #1319) * Updated translations for German, Mongolian and Portuguese Reviewer comm

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-24 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:07:05PM -0400, metamel wrote: > > All I see is a lot of unproductive reinforcement of 4. "let's talk a > > lot about tangential stuff to the detriment of letting SLOBs get on > > with answering the original question[1,2]". > > Patches welcome. You're replying to one. I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-24 Thread metamel
> All I see is a lot of unproductive reinforcement of 4. "let's talk a > lot about tangential stuff to the detriment of letting SLOBs get on > with answering the original question[1,2]". Patches welcome. Process and product are both important; the former builds our capacity to get on with making

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-24 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 03:28:11PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi all, > >> Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an >> "official" answer on this. Soon. >> >> Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs >> distributes a Sugar-centric GNU/L

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Michael Stone wrote: > Consequently, I want to make using activities more like web pages. That's why > I > work on rainbow and on networking design. ... > In my opinion, ideally, they click a URL and the software they > clicked runs most of the time. They don't care what version is underneath. If

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread pbrobinson
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > Dear Sugar folks, > > I have avoided wading into this discussion for some time because I wanted to > see where it went without my interference. Therefore, before I say anything > else, thanks for the entertaining show. :) > > Next, here are s

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-24 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 08:06:43AM -0500, David Farning wrote: > This sets several important [precedents]: > Delegate authority - In this case the soas project can define its > own future. And the marketing team can define its own marketing > strategy. This is not the precedent. Authority has no

Re: [Sugar-devel] New F11 for the XO-1 Build 7

2009-09-24 Thread Steven M. Parrish
> > Also included is a new Fedora-olpc-kernel repo > > Running in Terminal. Unfortunately, that repo entry fails yum > parsing (presumably because of the "*" character in the repo URL). > > Had to disable that whole entry in order to be able to run yum. > > mikus > > __

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 17:14, Michael Stone wrote: > Dear Sugar folks, > > I have avoided wading into this discussion for some time because I wanted to > see where it went without my interference. Therefore, before I say anything > else, thanks for the entertaining show. :) > > Next, here are som

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
Dear Sugar folks, I have avoided wading into this discussion for some time because I wanted to see where it went without my interference. Therefore, before I say anything else, thanks for the entertaining show. :) Next, here are some thoughts for you, based on my own work, uses of Sugar, and past

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] A Virtual Box solution that works with Sticks

2009-09-24 Thread Dave Bauer
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > Hi Dave, > > > ** unless you put the whole damn vdi on the stick and forgo the idea of > booting the stick independently as a normal OS, though there could be room > to investigate booting of a small partition with a reliable host OS that

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-artwork-0.86.0

2009-09-24 Thread Benjamin Berg
== Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.86.0.tar.bz2 == News == * removable device appears without any icon on it #279 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.su

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Daniel Drake wrote: > 4. Sharing of activities between hugely varying systems: The only real > solution to this that I have seen proposed is for *all* activities to > switch to some kind of cross-platform VM platform (e.g. Java) ... > I feel that the one available solution is not realistic or sens

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Wade Brainerd
Hi Daniel, It sounds like you're advocating major architectural and process shifts to combat hypothetical problems. (Java? C#? I could see JavaScript perhaps :)) Most activities do not require custom binaries. Those that do have solved the problem within the .xo format. If you download Colors

[Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs oversight-board meeting on Friday, 25 Sept. 2009, 14:00 UTC, 9:00 EST

2009-09-24 Thread Walter Bender
Please plan to attend the oversight-board meeting tomorrow at 14:00 UTC, 9:00 EST. Among the topics we will be discussing are: (1) the appointment of a decision panel to review and resolve the lack of consensus within the community regarding on how the Sugar on a Stick distribution currently maint

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:44, Peter Robinson wrote: 6. Ease of creation of activity packages Moving to distro-based packaging will not effect the difficulty of developing activities, since packaging is something you do after development, not before. It will affect packagi

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Peter Robinson
>>> 6. Ease of creation of activity packages >>> Moving to distro-based packaging will not effect the difficulty of >>> developing activities, since packaging is something you do after >>> development, not before. >>> It will affect packaging and distribution. My suggested model (as >>> employed al

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:15, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi, > > Thank you Daniel for documenting all of that. I agree with your > points. There's a lot of "it would be cool if it does this" but in > most cases of deployments it just doesn't seem to be an issue. > >> 2009/9/22 Benjamin M. Schwartz :

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi, Thank you Daniel for documenting all of that. I agree with your points. There's a lot of "it would be cool if it does this" but in most cases of deployments it just doesn't seem to be an issue. > 2009/9/22 Benjamin M. Schwartz : >> This is incompatible with our (or at least my) goal of allowi

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, 2009/9/22 Benjamin M. Schwartz : > This is incompatible with our (or at least my) goal of allowing > users to throw packages around as atomic objects, without internet access > and without having to understand anything beyond "my friend has Sugar, so > it will work".  It is also incompatible w