Re: [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 13.03.2010, at 11:56, Bernie Innocenti wrote: I've spent three days in Caacupè, observing how the new F11-XO1 build is doing among our young user base. It's a great success, but for the wrong reason:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 13:35 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote: So +1 to look customization. E.g., why not allow to change the gray frame color? In Etoys you can at least change the toolbar color (not permanently though, I should fix that). Even if it enrages our latte-drinking black-wearing

Re: [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Gerald Ardito
Bernie. Thanks so much for this. With the 5th grade US students I work with, this customization is really important to their sense of ownership. By the way, how do you upgrade the XOs (we have XO-1s) to .84? This is a very big deal for us. Thanks. Gerald On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Bernie

[Sugar-devel] Customizing Frame look (was: Re: Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason)

2010-03-13 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 01:35:55PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote: E.g., why not allow to change the gray frame color? I like that idea - it even increases security as it makes it harder to imitate the Frame. Not that we are even near a level of security where we need to worry about that...

[Sugar-devel] Journal icons arrow direction (was: Re: Write - H1 - H4 other minor things)

2010-03-13 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 07:40:16PM +1300, Tim McNamara wrote: *Export* Great feature! Would be great to rotate the arrow on this icon outwards to match the word :) The icon is correct as it shows the exported object entering the Journal. Yes, I'm always confused by it as well so there might

Re: [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 08:33 -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: By the way, how do you upgrade the XOs (we have XO-1s) to .84? This is a very big deal for us. We use a local variant of the F11-XO1 images by Stephen Parrish, signed with the deployment keys. The procedure for each laptop is: (1)

Re: [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Frederick Grose
See http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/535#comment:5, Expose Journal, Home, Group, Neighborhood, Frame Sources, where it's suggested that we extend the 'Show Source' facility to more of Sugar. Learners like to exercise and demonstrate their knowledge by customizing or changing their environments.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 08:33 -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: By the way, how do you upgrade the XOs (we have XO-1s) to .84? This is a very big deal for us. We use a local variant of the F11-XO1 images by Stephen Parrish,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.87.7 Development Release --- Release Candidate

2010-03-13 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Simon, On 11 Mar 2010, at 07:34, Simon Schampijer wrote: Dear Sugar Community, This is our 0.88 Release Candidate! Quick FWIW, just trying to update my sugar-jhbuild in F11 for 0.87.7, seems to pull, update, build fine, and deps check saying it has everything needed, but Sugar fails to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.87.7 Development Release --- Release Candidate

2010-03-13 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 04:07:31PM +, Gary C Martin wrote: .../install/lib/python2.6/site-packages/jarbe/model/bundleregistry.py line 34 ImportError: cannot import mimeregistry Please try make distclean in source/sugar and building sugar again (sugar-jhbuild buildone -n sugar). Bernies

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.87.7 Development Release --- Release Candidate

2010-03-13 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Sascha, On 13 Mar 2010, at 16:21, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 04:07:31PM +, Gary C Martin wrote: .../install/lib/python2.6/site-packages/jarbe/model/bundleregistry.py line 34 ImportError: cannot import mimeregistry Please try make distclean in source/sugar and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 10:46 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 08:33 -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: By the way, how do you upgrade the XOs (we have XO-1s) to .84? This is a very big deal for us.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better quality than build 801, provided you disable automatic power management. Are all activities working, including collaboration? In Gnome, can you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Write - H1 - H4 other minor things

2010-03-13 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Tim, On 13 Mar 2010, at 06:40, Tim McNamara wrote: Hi all, A few thoughts on the version of Write which I cloned today. H1 ... H4 Do we know how these term has been received by the education sector? No, but more generally, the real push for the new toolbar design landed to solve

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 12:07 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better quality than build 801, provided you disable automatic power management. Are all

Re: [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 13:26 -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: Where can I download this image? I've uploaded one of our builds here: http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/olpc/py-xo1/ It's slightly newer than the version we've been installing on children's laptops, and has been lightly tested. If

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Forgot to answer a paragraph: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 12:07 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better quality than build 801, provided you disable automatic

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Gary C Martin
On 13 Mar 2010, at 18:12, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 12:07 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better quality than build 801, provided you

[Sugar-devel] [FEATURE][DESIGN] Feedback requested for an interactive introduction tutorial to Sugar

2010-03-13 Thread Erick Lavoie
Following the work we have done on Tutorius in the last year, I would suggest having an interactive introduction tutorial to Sugar that would be presented to the user on the first login screen and in the option menu. The basic outline of the tutorial would be to present the Frame, the different