I'm sorry Sebastian, yes I should have been more clear about which
Sebastian :-)
At the time, Sugar was perceived as being only available on OLPC XOs, so
our effort was designed to show that it was available for other platforms.
Indeed, our claim has always been that it was hardware-agnostic (on
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sorry Sebastian, yes I should have been more clear about which Sebastian
:-)
At the time, Sugar was perceived as being only available on OLPC XOs, so our
effort was designed to show that it was available for other
Hi Flavio,
Happy to see you exposing your points here.
Every one of your proposals deserve a discussion, but
“The best way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time.”
Should be good define the proposal in ways we can put in motion them,
that is the reason we use the Features pages to propose
We already have this discussion for Sugar 0.100,
why not do it again? :)
With more than 7 years of development and more than 2 million of users,
probably we should accept a 1.0 version is deserved.
With 6 months more, probably the web api will be more established,
and we are not doing
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:08 PM, David Farning
dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote:
I agree :)
Right now, we are sitting back and seeing what roll OLPC-Australia is
going to play in the ecosystem. The One Education distribution out of
Australia is a combination of Dextrose, Sugar .100 and some
I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1]
Now, images for all the xo models are available.
These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU
we already commented.
We are proposing include them as Features for 0.102. [2]
As always, testing is welcomed. Please
If we are talking about a version number that might make it into a press
release at some point, this is a marketing discussion so I have cc'd the
list.
As I've explained previously, the major issue with a v1 seven years after
entering production is that it is incomprehensible. Non-techies (i.e.
Ok, I am not a marketing guy.
May be you are right and v2 is better than v1,
but I am sure any of these is better than 0.102
I think we can't claim a Tablet version of Sugar, but we have a lot to show.
I hope you agree on that. If our marketing guys don't see anything
good in Sugar,
we have a
Yes Gonzalo, from a marketing standpoint 0.102 is as unworkable as 0.82 was
and all the numbers in between. However I'm afraid v1.0 will be a mistake.
I'm mystified, why would you think I don't see anything good in Sugar?
Sean
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org
Gonzalo,
What languages do these images contain?
cjl
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1]
Now, images for all the xo models are available.
These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes Gonzalo, from a marketing standpoint 0.102 is as unworkable as 0.82 was
and all the numbers in between. However I'm afraid v1.0 will be a mistake.
I'm mystified, why would you think I don't see anything good in Sugar?
The same languages included by default in 13.2.0
en_US,en_AU,es,ar,pt,pt_BR,fr,ht,mn,mr_IN,am_ET,km_KH,ne_NP,ur_PK,rw,ps,fa_AF,si,zh_CN,de,hy
Any suggestion?
Gonzalo
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote:
Gonzalo,
What languages do these images
The Aussies might like Maori included (lang mi), but ask them.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
The same languages included by default in 13.2.0
en_US,en_AU,es,ar,pt,pt_BR,fr,ht,mn,mr_IN,am_ET,km_KH,ne_NP,ur_PK,rw,ps,fa_AF,si,zh_CN,de,hy
Any
Thanks, good point
Gonzalo
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote:
The Aussies might like Maori included (lang mi), but ask them.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
The same languages included by default in 13.2.0
What about calling it 1.102 (tech version). That shouldn't come with any
message attached... It would address the fact that we never released a 1.0
without having PR consequences. Then when we figure out what 2.0 really
means marketing wise, we can start releasing 2.x as you suggest...
On
The other possibility is to multiply by 100, dropping the decimal
point, .e.g., we just released Sugar 100 and are working on Sugar 102.
-walter
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
What about calling it 1.102 (tech version). That shouldn't come with any
This is just a gut reaction but I feel we should think more in the Sugar
online direction than in the Sugar on tablet one, at least as a first
step. I'd love Sugar on tablet as anyone else but I feel it's somewhat
unrealistic because it involves skills, moneys and partnerships we don't
currently
Re library versions, that reminds of a point I should have put in my list...
I think now that the gobject introspection migration is over upstream can
become more conservative about library versions. That should help both
distributors and developers. We are already going in that direction really.
For sugar developers their is certainly a continuation in development and the
current numbering makes a lot of sense.
However, looking from outside 0.102 should be Sugar 3.x where 1.x is the
original, 2.x is the Gtk3/introspection move and now the html5/jc
(online/ultrabook/tablet) version.
Maybe Sugar Web instead of Sugar Online?
We have web activities and Web Services in this release
Gonzalo
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
This is just a gut reaction but I feel we should think more in the Sugar
online direction than in the Sugar
There is a pull-request with this. Feedback and suggestions are welcome.
Thanks,
Code
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote:
2013/11/5 Code irag...@activitycentral.com:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org
wrote:
Yup
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
Maybe Sugar Web instead of Sugar Online?
We have web activities and Web Services in this release
Gonzalo
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Daniel Narvaez
dwnarv...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'dwnarv...@gmail.com');
Hmm I suppose the 1.x - 2.x switch would have not made sense to marketing
because there wasn't major user visible changes?
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote:
For sugar developers their is certainly a continuation in development and
the current numbering makes a lot of
I prefer marketing guys talk about marketing,
but _IMHO_, the numbers what have sense for us internally are not
the same number what have sense to all other the world.
For us have sense numbers like 102 or 1.102, but probably not for others.
Would be good try to found a numbers with a sense we can
But Sean proposal seems to address that issue. The major number make sense
for marketing, the minor for developers.
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
I prefer marketing guys talk about marketing,
but _IMHO_, the numbers what have sense for us internally are not
the same
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
The other possibility is to multiply by 100, dropping the decimal
point, .e.g., we just released Sugar 100 and are working on Sugar 102.
-walter
I did this a couple of times on Twitter, but I like it!
I had a chat
You are talking developer version here right? We would have no obvious way
to map it to the marketing version then. Maybe we don't need one though I'm
not sure.
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Walter Bender wrote:
The other possibility is to multiply by 100, dropping the decimal
point, .e.g.,
I agree marketing version should be an integer or a name. Actually I like
the idea of a name, it would make the separation between developer and
marketing version more clear. But that's up to marketing really :)
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Sameer Verma wrote:
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:12 AM,
As said before, a name only, is not good to indicate progression
(at least the name is The Third and so :)
Gonzalo
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree marketing version should be an integer or a name. Actually I like
the idea of a name, it would
Hi all!,
working with web activities urges me to use CoffeeScript.
- Is there any decision taken on this?
- Do you discussed this topic in some occasion? or is irrelevant?
Regards!
--
Roger
Activity Central http://activitycentral.com/
___
With our history, and looking at how disconnected the deployments
can be of our development track, I am really tempted of looking for
a number schema related to the year...
Gonzalo
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
Do we need to indicate progression? It
If I remember correctly we agreed to discourage it because it breaks view
source. But of course it's up to the activity author ultimately.
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Rogelio Mita wrote:
Hi all!,
working with web activities urges me to use CoffeeScript.
- Is there any decision taken on
Hi Gonzalo, hi Walter,
Ok. Thanks for your answer.
Thanks too to upload images for each platforms.
Lionel.
2013/11/6 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org
Okay. I've seen two other features not described in the feature lists:
- Backup/Restore journal to an USB key
- Copy to Teacher menu
Hi!
Just to prove that it can be done, I have hacked a little bit more on
the native HTML activity which can be found here:
https://github.com/NoiseEHC/sugar-webkit-native
I tried to create virtual pages by using WebKit1's or Soap's url
rewriting callbacks but it turns out that no matter
cc'ing marketing for... a marketing issue
Nope, the GTK3 change just passed under the radar. As stated previously I
lobbied for a v1 six years ago which is why we are ready for a v2. Or even
a v3.
For building a PR story I can work with v2 or v3, just not v1.
The issue with 2.2, 2.4 is that
I agree with you about major.minor, with major being the marketing version
and minor the developers one. Did I get that right? Does anyone disagree?
What I'm not sure to understand is which major number you would like to be
used for the next release. To make it easier let's say we are currently
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, NoiseEHC wrote:
Sugar Labs has found itself in a position where there is a high degree
of conformity. This tends to create an echo chamber where similar
opinions are respected and encouraged. That can be effective at
building passion and energy, but it tends to
Very interesting. If they work in webkit then imo it doesn't make sense
anymore to discourage coffee, minification, etc. (we have a bit about
minification in the style guide that we should change to encourage source
maps instead).
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Code wrote:
there are source maps
Daniel - if we can work out where SL is going, we can build a PR story. If
we aren't sure, it's better to communicate other aspects (TA Days, Google
Code-In, the TripAdvisor grant).
I like v3 as a major version, step versions could be called 3.102, 3.103,
3.104 by developers, while marketing
In hind sight...
The gtk2 - gtk3 would have benefited from a major version change. At
the time, I didn't realized it. From a deployment perspective the
shift represented a major change. In addition to the base software,
all of the necessary activities needed to be migrated, QAed, and
verified if
Actually, journalists who covered us in 2009 (and there were lots of
them) understood SoaS v1 Strawberry as our v1. This was by design.
It's for this reason, and that we have been in production for 7 years, that
I feel a v1 now would be a mistake.
Sean
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Daniel
A quick note CCed to Sugar-devel
An interesting thing the XS community is doing is holding irc meetings
on Tuesday and voice meetings on Thursdays. There are two mailing
lists, a public list and and internal list.
Different people prefer different styles of communication.
On Thu, Nov 7,
Walter - my issue with a formal system is, it boxes us into numbers on a
timeframe - what we need from a marketing standpoint is to choose a number
that explains the story we will build. Both v2 and v3 are candidates to be
worked on for that story, where we can refer to v1 as Sugar in production
Concerning keyboards, an interesting marketing case can be made for the
usefulness of a keyboard in writing and programming, and how handheld
devices are ill-suited to the task.
But, again, schools are massively dropping keyboard-equipped PCs of any
size for tablets. Not to mention OLPC...
Sean
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, NoiseEHC wrote:
Hi!
Just to prove that it can be done, I have hacked a little bit more on the
native HTML activity which can be found here:
https://github.com/NoiseEHC/sugar-webkit-native
I tried to create virtual pages by using WebKit1's or Soap's url
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
Re library versions, that reminds of a point I should have put in my list...
I think now that the gobject introspection migration is over upstream can
become more conservative about library versions. That should help
As I say, the name will need work. I just threw out Online and Tablet
off the top of my head.
Sean
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
Maybe Sugar Web instead of Sugar Online?
We have web activities and Web Services in this release
Gonzalo
On
Apple went numbers+names for OS X, but chose numbers only for iOS - likely
because the look and feel changes so little across versions.
Sean
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
Do we need to indicate progression? It doesn't seem to be an issue for OS
X
Thanks, I now see where I was confused... Normally in developer versioning
you bump the major number when you achieved a certain goal (say have an
Online experience you can be proud of). Here we are bumping when starting
to work towards the goal instead. I don't see that as an issue, just need
to
sure
2013/11/7 Code ignacio.c...@gmail.com
+1
Rogelio, if u are about to make an activity with coffee, can you try out
source maps on webkit and share the results, please?
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.comwrote:
Very interesting. If they work in webkit
Daniel recently started a related thread called Tech Roadmap and Sean
started a marketing thread related to naming. To reduce confusion I
thought that it might be valuable to take a step back and look at an
overall Sugar Labs Roadmap.
After reviewing the various threads over the last couple of
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Sean DALY wrote:
The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know
where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to
choose and implement how to offer Sugar tryout to teachers and journalists.
I can think of a
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:
Dear Community,
As I was listening to the interviews of some of the OLPC SF Summit
attendees, I was amazed at the richness of diversity in perspectives.
In spite of being a part of this community since July 2007, and trying
Hi,
I am writing this mail seeking a clue on where to start looking to enable
Nepali input in XO4. For XO-1 we had nepali keyboard and there was a button
just below the enter button which would switch input between English and
Nepali. And that was very convenient.
But for XO-4 we will just be
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