Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread Sora Edwards-Thro
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Someone remarked that teachers don't like to use Sugar. If not,... why not? Ask them! I hate to say that the user's not always right, but in Haiti at least, some of the teachers are disappointed when they see Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread James Cameron
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 08:13:04PM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: One other thing I should mention about some Sugar Activities… some of them really lack color. [...] This was possibly the design decision to support the colourless display of the XO laptop when used outdoors, as well as colour

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hi Folks… Sorry I didn't put my 2 cents worth in sooner, but here are some questions/suggestions I have re: planning for the future…. Someone remarked that teachers don't like to use Sugar. If not,… why not? Ask them! Obviously, the teachers in Uruguay like it and use it. But not all of it.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Sora... Thanks for your thoughtful from the field answers! We need more of them. I think I'll ask my friend Rosamel in Uruguay what she thinks and if she might ask some of her collegues too. Mañana. I have to do it in Spanish so I'll wait until morning when I am thinking clearly. Caryl Date:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Upgrading XOs

2015-02-27 Thread Tony Anderson
I have finished categorizing the Sugar activities on BERNIE. The Backup and Backup4G are the activities installed on the standard builds. The Standard activities that I believe work without restriction. The Spanish category is evident. The Web activity are activities that require web-service

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread Daniel Drake
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Jerry Vonau m...@jvonau.ca wrote: I know this is not a sugar issue directly, more of an OLPC issue but since Fedora F12 the entire i686 platform's userland is being compiled with -mtune=atom[1] which would use sse[2]. -mtune is designed not to break any

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Thanks Sora for sharing. We are working in a questionnaire to get more information from the local deployments. If you agree, we can send it to you to get more information from Haiti deployments. Gonzalo On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro s...@unleashkids.org wrote: I just got

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Thanks Samuel for start this public discussion. I share some of your concerns, and agree with your points. I think we agree web activities is the way to move forward. We started to work on that for Sugar 0.100, and that will provide us the possibility of run activities in any browser, in android,

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO Infinity ?

2015-02-27 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
I hope this is not affected by Osborne effect [1] These looks like 3d software generated images, from that to a product ready to ship, there are a long way. Gonzalo [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.org wrote: Hi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Process of updating translations for sugar and sugar-toolkit-gtk3

2015-02-27 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
Thank you! Eduardo 2015-02-26 22:19 GMT+00:00 Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com: Hello Eduardo, You should be able to submmit translations to all Portuguese projects now [1]. Regards, Martin. Refs: 1. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/pt/ On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:06 PM,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread Dan Tenason
Friday, February 27, 2015 2:07 PM -03:00 from Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org: Thanks Samuel for start this public discussion. I share some of your concerns, and agree with your points. I think we agree web activities is the way to move forward. We started to work on that  for Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread Tymon Radzik
Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
The problem with partners is that any partner who has established a history of making good decision will ask the same question Mr. Greenfeld asked to start this thread. If they get the same response Dr. Bender gave Mr. Greenfeld they take their money and go back home. Several individuals

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:28:14PM -0800, Aaron Borden wrote: Very cool! The initial loading screen did seem a tad long but probably not noticeable to most people with a modern laptop like mine. I wonder if it's okay on an XO-1? XO-1 with a 14.1.0 test build, with Flash Plugin: - initial load

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread Sam P.
I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this version load faster @Quozl? https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/ On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Same test

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread Sam P.
Beside a gallery, what features is my version missing? My version is 100% based off yours, see the pull request I sent. On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:05 am Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com wrote: I can use more if you want Sam ;). Seriously - all libraries I use are needed for website. Your website

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread Tymon Radzik
I can use more if you want Sam ;). Seriously - all libraries I use are needed for website. Your website doesn't require features like my one. We should rather take care about optimization in loading them, not on just telling oh this is so slow... Good night :-) On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:02 Sam P.

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread Tymon Radzik
I use FitText to make text being more responsive and stretch it in width div. I use also some additional jQuery code to take care about logos and website colors. I will take a look on your PR in a second. On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:06 Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Beside a gallery, what

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread Tymon Radzik
Unfortunately I can check only mobile view now, I will give you opinion tomorrow. Have a nice night! On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:08 Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com wrote: I use FitText to make text being more responsive and stretch it in width div. I use also some additional jQuery code to take care

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread James Cameron
Yes, that version loads faster. 15.855 seconds for load and render. 2.824 seconds for render only. But on your version, the video embedding element Google Code-In | Promotional video on Sugar is beyond the visible area, only the sugarlabs title on black background is visible. Scrolling down by

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread Tymon Radzik
I think Sam shouldnt work on separate project, rather help us in improving exisiting one. And disscuis so radicial UI changes with us... On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:22 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Yes, that version loads faster. 15.855 seconds for load and render. 2.824 seconds for

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread Jerry Vonau
On February 27, 2015 at 6:23 AM Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Jerry Vonau m...@jvonau.ca wrote: I know this is not a sugar issue directly, more of an OLPC issue but since Fedora F12 the entire i686 platform's userland is being compiled with

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread James Cameron
I do not see it as separate, I see it as a useful contest of ideas. That's what pull requests are for. In this case, it has provided a substantial load and render benefit. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:23:50AM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: I think Sam shouldnt work on separate project, rather help us

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread Tymon Radzik
Yeah, but his concept of UI is radical different than ours. We want to go bit more innovative. I dont have anything against PRs, but I think that's one created by him shouldn't be merged before our works finish. On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:27 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: I do not see it as

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread James Cameron
Okay, I hear what you're saying ... but you have to have a good reason than wanting to go a bit more innovative; it's not your desires that matter, it's the good outcomes for Sugar Labs that matters. And acceptance of a PR is up to the maintainer. Which isn't me, thankfully. On Sat, Feb 28,

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread James Cameron
I've reviewed the pull request: https://github.com/walterbender/www-sugarlabs/pull/9 Perhaps you should take parts of Sam's pull request, the parts that improve page loading time. If you can identify them. It is unfortunate that Sam's pull request didn't split the style changes from the page

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread James Cameron
Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds, (previously 31 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously 5 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 03:31:50PM +1100, James Cameron wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:20:02PM -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: On February 25, 2015 at 3:09 PM James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:20:19PM -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: I know this is not a sugar issue

Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

2015-02-27 Thread samson goddy
From: samsongo...@hotmail.com To: qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to